I think it is both open and distributed. The only thing that's not free and wide open is the streaming API, but the only benefit that that offers is timeliness. All of the data that goes through the streaming API will, very shortly thereafter, be available in the regular REST API.
So I don't think calling Twitter out for hypocrisy is accurate or useful. -- Eric On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> wrote: > @ev used both the words "open" and "distributed" to describe twitter in his > keynote > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Julien Genestoux > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> These are business considerations... not tech. They could setup the exact >> same model/limitation/priceing with pubsubhubbub! >> -- >> Julien Genestoux, >> >> http://twitter.com/julien51 >> http://superfeedr.com >> >> +1 (415) 830 6574 >> +33 (0)9 70 44 76 29 >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Eric Mill <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It's about more than protecting your investment - supporting a REST >>> API over existing resources is one thing, but supporting a free >>> streaming API to the firehose, on the scale of Twitter, is a whole >>> nother matter. I don't know that the dividends by offering a >>> completely free streaming API and expanding the user and developer >>> base (like the REST API does) would be worth the incredible bandwidth >>> costs they would incur by doing so. >>> >>> -- Eric >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Andrew Badera <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Likewise. I even went so far as to say the same to Fred Wilson, >>> > without response. Very disappointing -- I'll repeat myself here -- I >>> > don't know that I can imagine a more bitter hypocrisy than Twitter's >>> > behaviors of late toward the development community. I understand >>> > protecting your investment, but I also understand integrity and >>> > graciousness. >>> > >>> > ∞ Andy Badera >>> > ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice >>> > ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private >>> > ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:19 AM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> as ive said to a friend fairly recently >>> >> >>> >> f*SK twitter ;) >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Julien Genestoux >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> We (superfeedr) have created a hub exactly like this : we susbcribed >>> >>> to >>> >>> the right users with the streaming API (that they've had for months), >>> >>> and >>> >>> rebuild the feeds from it. It's technically fully fonctionnal. >>> >>> I got in touch with Ryan Sarver and John Kalucki who said that this >>> >>> hub >>> >>> would be breaking their TOS (which specifically mentions that we >>> >>> can't >>> >>> redistribute/resyndicate/republish the data) and that if we turn it >>> >>> on, >>> >>> they'd probably shut our access down. I believed this is more or less >>> >>> what >>> >>> happend to GNIP last year. >>> >>> Since I hate building things that are not "durable" and I don't want >>> >>> to >>> >>> piss off people with false expectations, I never turned it on. If >>> >>> Twitter >>> >>> ever changes their TOS or is even willing to discuss this specific >>> >>> matter >>> >>> with us, we're more than happy to turn this hub on. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> im surprised superfeedr just doesn't get firehose access and create >>> >>>> their >>> >>>> own twitter hub >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Kevin Marks <[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> sitting at their hackathon, the stream is the same continuous flow >>> >>>>> of >>> >>>>> JSON structs as the others are. You could use it to send updates to >>> >>>>> a PuSH >>> >>>>> hub. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Jeff Lindsay <[email protected]> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Which also makes it possible for people to publish as PuSH .... >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Jud Valeski <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> just means that they're moving more and more funx over to the >>> >>>>>>> streaming model (not PuSH). >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Didier Durand >>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Does anybody know if the announcement of yesterday by Twitter >>> >>>>>>>> (see >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/14/twitter-user-streams-annotations/) >>> >>>>>>>> means that they are coming to Pubsubhubbub ? >>> >>>>>>>> They mention "real-time notifications", no "more polling", etc. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Thanks by advance for your hints >>> >>>>>>>> didier >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Jeff Lindsay >>> >>>>>> http://progrium.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Everyone Loves Tea >>> >>>> http://www.everyonelovestea.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Everyone Loves Tea >>> >> http://www.everyonelovestea.com >>> >> >>> > >> > > > > -- > Everyone Loves Tea > http://www.everyonelovestea.com >
