If you've observed Twitter's behavior toward the community and toward specific apps, you might feel otherwise. I'm speaking broader scope than the stream vs. PuSH issue. If you're on the twitter-dev list, you've heard the outcry. The open, federated crowd is back with another push for laconi.ca/PuSH etc.
∞ Andy Badera ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Eric Mill <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it is both open and distributed. The only thing that's not > free and wide open is the streaming API, but the only benefit that > that offers is timeliness. All of the data that goes through the > streaming API will, very shortly thereafter, be available in the > regular REST API. > > So I don't think calling Twitter out for hypocrisy is accurate or useful. > > -- Eric > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> wrote: >> @ev used both the words "open" and "distributed" to describe twitter in his >> keynote >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Julien Genestoux >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> These are business considerations... not tech. They could setup the exact >>> same model/limitation/priceing with pubsubhubbub! >>> -- >>> Julien Genestoux, >>> >>> http://twitter.com/julien51 >>> http://superfeedr.com >>> >>> +1 (415) 830 6574 >>> +33 (0)9 70 44 76 29 >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Eric Mill <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's about more than protecting your investment - supporting a REST >>>> API over existing resources is one thing, but supporting a free >>>> streaming API to the firehose, on the scale of Twitter, is a whole >>>> nother matter. I don't know that the dividends by offering a >>>> completely free streaming API and expanding the user and developer >>>> base (like the REST API does) would be worth the incredible bandwidth >>>> costs they would incur by doing so. >>>> >>>> -- Eric >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Andrew Badera <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Likewise. I even went so far as to say the same to Fred Wilson, >>>> > without response. Very disappointing -- I'll repeat myself here -- I >>>> > don't know that I can imagine a more bitter hypocrisy than Twitter's >>>> > behaviors of late toward the development community. I understand >>>> > protecting your investment, but I also understand integrity and >>>> > graciousness. >>>> > >>>> > ∞ Andy Badera >>>> > ∞ +1 518-641-1280 Google Voice >>>> > ∞ This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private >>>> > ∞ Google me: http://www.google.com/search?q=andrew%20badera >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:19 AM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> as ive said to a friend fairly recently >>>> >> >>>> >> f*SK twitter ;) >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Julien Genestoux >>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We (superfeedr) have created a hub exactly like this : we susbcribed >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> the right users with the streaming API (that they've had for months), >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> rebuild the feeds from it. It's technically fully fonctionnal. >>>> >>> I got in touch with Ryan Sarver and John Kalucki who said that this >>>> >>> hub >>>> >>> would be breaking their TOS (which specifically mentions that we >>>> >>> can't >>>> >>> redistribute/resyndicate/republish the data) and that if we turn it >>>> >>> on, >>>> >>> they'd probably shut our access down. I believed this is more or less >>>> >>> what >>>> >>> happend to GNIP last year. >>>> >>> Since I hate building things that are not "durable" and I don't want >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> piss off people with false expectations, I never turned it on. If >>>> >>> Twitter >>>> >>> ever changes their TOS or is even willing to discuss this specific >>>> >>> matter >>>> >>> with us, we're more than happy to turn this hub on. >>>> >>> Cheers, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM, tyler gillies <[email protected]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> im surprised superfeedr just doesn't get firehose access and create >>>> >>>> their >>>> >>>> own twitter hub >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Kevin Marks <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> sitting at their hackathon, the stream is the same continuous flow >>>> >>>>> of >>>> >>>>> JSON structs as the others are. You could use it to send updates to >>>> >>>>> a PuSH >>>> >>>>> hub. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Jeff Lindsay <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Which also makes it possible for people to publish as PuSH .... >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Jud Valeski <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> just means that they're moving more and more funx over to the >>>> >>>>>>> streaming model (not PuSH). >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Didier Durand >>>> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Does anybody know if the announcement of yesterday by Twitter >>>> >>>>>>>> (see >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/14/twitter-user-streams-annotations/) >>>> >>>>>>>> means that they are coming to Pubsubhubbub ? >>>> >>>>>>>> They mention "real-time notifications", no "more polling", etc. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks by advance for your hints >>>> >>>>>>>> didier >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> Jeff Lindsay >>>> >>>>>> http://progrium.com >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Everyone Loves Tea >>>> >>>> http://www.everyonelovestea.com >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Everyone Loves Tea >>>> >> http://www.everyonelovestea.com >>>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Everyone Loves Tea >> http://www.everyonelovestea.com >> >
