On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Colin Flanagan <[email protected]> wrote:
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> From: Jorge Vargas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:45:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Django or Pylons - comparison details
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> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Lawrence Oluyede <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Colin Flanagan <[email protected]> 
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>>> I'm curious if Django's CMS reputation comes from the fact that it's used 
>>> by a lot of newspapers and content providers, or if there really is 
>>> something that makes it advantageous over other frameworks.
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>> Django's admin is very handy for content based sites. We're developing
>> the Italian PyCon website with Django. While we develop the webiste
>> some people can upload and review documents, rollback and stuff like
>> that.
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>> Very nice. Nothing you can't code in Pylons or CGI with C, but it's
>> nice to have it for free.
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> you should try out Catwalk2, tgext.admin and/or Rum. They are
> currently the competitors in TurboGears2 regarding this playing field.
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> Catwalk2 and tgext.admin are build on top of Turbogears so you will
> need that dependency (totally worth it) or if you don't want that then
> Rum is a wsgi app
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> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Catwalk
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/tgext.admin/
> http://docs.python-rum.org/user/install.html
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> Note: the author is catwalk and tgext.admin is the same guy, he is
> currently considering of folding one of the projects into the other as
> at this moment their only difference is that Catwalk2 is equivalent to
> "django's autodiscovery" while tgext.admin is the "customizable by
> code type of thing"
> Note2: I haven't used any of the 3 outside a turbogears project, but
> they will work in parallel
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> These are really interesting.  I'm especially curious to hear anyone's 
> experience using Rum with Pylons. I'm getting ready to build something really 
> similar but am now thinking otherwise.

as I said rum is a wsgi app, so it runs standalone, rumAlchemy <your
dburi> is enough. to try it out. As for the integration (running in
the same process, theme sharing, etc.) that's another story, you could
base yourself on the tg2 sample app.

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> My impression of Django's admin was that, once you've replaced the native 
> ORM, you no longer "get it for free." That still holds true, no?

yes, django admin is tied into django ORM. On the contrary rum has
interfaces to use other ORMs, but so far it only has a SQLAlchemy
backend. The same hold s true for catwalk2.

Just to be clear, all 3 of these tools provide some how the same
feature set of django admin. they are NOT django they are 100%
TG/pylons code. Both use as base ToscaWidgets which ones was
TruboGears widgets, catwalk2 and tgext.admin build on top of a second
framework call sprox (which is somehow like formalchemy), The
difference between the three is really set in internal components and
some design issue, but to the end use they all should be quite alike.

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