On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Colin Flanagan wrote:

>
> I don't follow this logic.  If the "enterprise" model, software  
> development or otherwise (and does GWT really fit into that?),  
> brought on the current economic disaster, what safeguards would the  
> alternative (I guess in this instance, Pylons) have provided?
>
> The notion of "enterprise" java is an increasingly  difficult word  
> to define, almost as hard as the term "art."  Nevertheless, the very  
> specific practices of financial institutions and their relation to  
> regulatory bodies seems like a difficult simile to stylistic  
> approaches to software development.

yeah I don't make a great analogy pre-coffee.     I was mostly  
thinking of indifference to wrongness cemented by institutions.   It  
was widely suspected that Madoff was running a ponzi scheme.  But  
everyone looked the other way, since people were making money - it  
would go against the institution to say something.      Similarly, GWT  
produces really bloated and complex applications which all look really  
boring.   But the framework was produced by the highest echcelons of  
"the institution", and that alone is the only answer needed to the  
question of what to use.  GWT is not even a great example, better  
examples would be Interwoven Teamsite, VBScript and Cold Fusion,  
selected due to their corporate roots - the notion that corporate- 
driven products are the better selection strictly due to their  
corporate roots.


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