You do seem pretty intent on using GWT, no matter what advice is
offered in this thread.  It sounds as if you were looking more for
confirmation of a decision already made.

However, if you are still open to alternatives, I would suggest that
you give a strong look at Yahoo's UI library (http://
developer.yahoo.com/yui/), which includes a lot of rich components,
not just JavaScript language shortcuts or smaller building blocks
(which it also includes).  I have personally used YUI a lot and I feel
that it is a mature, well designed library.

Here's an example of a "real software application," not just a picture
slideshow:

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/layout/adv_layout_source.html

You will need to code your server-side logic separately, but if
anything goes wrong, performance is bad, or you need to extend the
functionality, you will be dealing with code that you have written,
not a mess of auto-generated, opaque gibberish.


On Jan 31, 9:19 pm, Tycon <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not talking about facebook/youtube type sites, I'm talking about a
> real web application
> where users access information,  enter information, search and analyze
> information, and visualize information.
> I'm not creating web sites for popularity contests, but using the web
> as a platform for real
> software applications that provide an actual (business) service. For
> that it's much better to use
> more client side (e.g. javascript) code to make it seem like a real
> desktop app.
> If you just want to create some flicker slideshow derivative, then yes
> you can use php or whatever other
> server side "application" code.
>
> On Jan 31, 8:25 pm, Michael Bayer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Tycon wrote:
>
> > > I'm planning on using GWT only for client side code and doing all
> > > server calls
> > > using JSON, and not using GWT's RPC mechanism. So I guess that would
> > > avoid the problem you are talking about ?
>
> > or you could just use jquery...ive no idea how you'd use only the  
> > "client side" portion of GWT.  from what I could tell it seemed like  
> > the entire server-to-client is spit out from a single monolithic  
> > compilation and there was certainly no easy way to just use "the  
> > client".
>
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Perl/CGI not Pylons/Rails etc
> > > CANNOT
> > > be used to create a gmail-like application, unless you resort to hand
> > > writing
> > > the entire UI (which runs wholly on the client) in javascript (good
> > > luck with
> > > that !).
>
> > i think there are alternatives which would result in easier to read  
> > code.   jquery can go a very long way.
>
> > > were written using GWT-like technology, and IMO google apps are the
> > > best example
> > > of smart efficient next generation web apps.
>
> > theyre tremendously complex and reliant upon special build tools.    
> > facebook AFAIK is just php and is a more compelling client side  
> > experience than anything I've seen google do.

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