On 25.09.2014 08:02, Nathan Woodrow wrote:
Hey Denis,
There is a 4th option of course and that is a key modifier for
override to do click-click. I was planning on doing that a while ago
when I thought about the same thing.
So adding something like shift+click to enabled click-click mode.
Not sure if that is better but there is not a good way to change this
kind of thing.
- Nathan
Or we use the modifier for the drag'n'drop, if people like to keep a
button mouse pressed, they don't mind using one more key... just joking!
Modifiers are a pain when you use the tools a lot.
Anyway, if we do this, this can be combined with the options (solution 3)
Standard mode: simple click: drag'ndrop, shift: click-click
CAD mode: simple click: click-clcik, shift: drag'n'drop
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Denis Rouzaud
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi all,
I'll try to summarize.
*QEP*: I don't mind doing one, but I think it's a bit early since
we are still discussing.
*Problematic*: Drag'n'drop map tools prevent from enhancing CAD
tools in QGIS. For this, it is *required *to add click-click to
all map tools.
*Other softwares:*
CAD softwares use click-click actions while design and GIS
(Mapinfo, what about ESRI?) use drag'n'drop.
New users or even current users might be afraid of such a change.
*Pros of methods:*
Advantages of click-clik:
* allow other actions to be done in the movement
* allow cancelling the action (this was not pointed out yet)
Advantages of drag'n'drop
* More intuitive (for non-CAD users, which I believe is the majority)
I see *3 (and a half) solutions* (thanks to Matthias for pointing
some):
1.*Replace current* drag'n'drop to click-click
+ simplest solution to maintain
- need time for new users to get used to this
2.*Enable both* click-clik and drag'n'drop: a short click will
free the node/feature while a long click (*) will allow drag'n'drop.
+ both solutions are here
- might be confusing for a "standard" user to make a short click
and have a node moving without knowing what to do (although escape
would cancel the thing)
3. Provide both behaviours and *choose which one to use in
options* (e.g. enable CAD behaviour for map tools).
+ both solutions are here
- behaviour not coherent along the different installations
half solution: click-click in map tools, allow drag'n'drop in the
main identify tool. Like *Microstation*.
- this works only for move features (i.e. not feasible for rotate
and node tools)
Please comment these solutions, to see if there's a consensus.
I'll start and vote for 1. ;)
Cheers,
Denis
* The determination of what should be done is made on the distance
in pixels from the press position to the release position. If it's
small it is considered as a short. Time might also get into
consideration: if you long-click but don't move it could be
considered as cancel.
On 24.09.2014 10:56, Denis Rouzaud wrote:
Hi all,
There is somehow an inconsistency in the behaviour of the current
editing map tools.
Some, like add features, uses the left click to trigger the action.
Others, like the node tool or move feature use press-pan-release
mouse events:
* mouse press to select the node/feature
* mouse mouse to move it
* mouse release sets the position.
I would propose to standardise this and for the latter tools
propose the following work flow:
* left click enables the move
* left click again to validate at position
* or right click to cancel
Why changing this?
If you look at CAD software, they also use the proposed approach.
And there's a reason for doing so, which is valid for QGIS too.
We are looking at improving the CAD tools in QGIS. In this area,
I recommend trying the fantastic CADinput plugin made by Olivier
Dalang. The plugin works on top of any map tool and enables CAD
tools for each of them.
The problem with the press-pan-release map tools is that you
can't truly interact while you are actually in the action of the
map tool (holding the click):
* you can't click anymore and this prevents from using
intermediate points (you have to use the tool several times and
repeat the operation as many times as intermediate points you need)
* it is not really user friendly to have to press keys while
holing the click
This is why, changing the map tools behaviour is requested if we
want to go further with CAD tools in QGIS.
Regarding the future of CAD tools in QGIS, I am quite sure the
plugin proposed by Olivier would be a good way to go for QGIS,
but it still might be a bit early to integrate it in core. The
idea is rather first to extend the API and propose ready to use
methods, so it will be easy to implement your preferred solution
in a plugin.
But first, we need to standardise the map tools.
So, the bottom line, any objection to changing the behaviour of:
* edit node tool
* move feature
* rotate feature
* move label
* rotate label
* any other press-pan-release map tool that I am not aware of
???
Best wishes,
Denis
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