> Heyyyy Super Stunt.....sorry i didn't get back sooner, but i'm 
lazy!! ; )  
> ....you're RIGHT, we have a short history, and what i consider 
a 'short  memory'....i think we could've learned more lessons in what 
we did to your ancestors.< 

I think we have, instead of starving a people we provided humanitarian 
aid in both Afganistan and Iraq. Instead of cheap dumb bombs we have 
developed and are using precision weapons to cause as little colateral 
damage as possible, and went as far as preserving Mosques the enemy 
used to fight from rather than damage them even though it would have 
saved more american lives to just blow them up.
  
> And your also right about our own gov modeled after the Iroqouis 
tribe  (sp)....they had a confederacy of 6 tribes to worked closely 
together.  Ben Franklin was very impressed with what seem to work very 
well,  and i'm sure it was on his mind as the constitution was formed.<

>Of course white dudes turned them on each other, making them choose 
British or colonists.<

If you study history, it was the British who divided them. Also some 
were convinced they had more to gain by siding with them, maybe w/o the 
knowledge that the British passed out small pox infested blankets after 
the Shade rebellion.

> Exactly how far back are we supposed to brush off  genocide as an act 
of the times???<

America had started turning around shortly before the beginning of the 
20th century.
   
>I know you'll hate to hear this from some bleedingheart liberal, 
> but we (America) are seen as the terrorist in many cases around the 
World.<

But that doesn't make it so.
  
> 1.  When we kill innocent civilians, or blow their homes up in Iraq 
without so much as a mention, we are sometimes seen as terrorists.<

Try watching FOX cable news, you'll see it mentioned. However I lay the 
blame on the REAL Terrorists who hide behind women and children by 
using houses in crowded neighborhoods to launch attacks from. Just a 
couple of days ago they showed a house used by them totaly destroyed 
while houses on both sides escaped destruction.

> 2.  when we throw our money n guns behind leaders, like Pinocet of 
Chile, who murder thousands, we look kinda bad,< 

In Chile, they have been fighting communist terrorists for decades. At 
the same time the US is continuing a failed "war on drugs". The enemy 
of my enemy makes for strange bed fellows. Unfortunetly at one time 
this was a description of Sadamned at one time who, like Noriega who 
was also a poor choice, we removed both from power rectifying those 
mistakes.  

> 3.  When we shut off any commerce, travel or making it illegal for 
family to give money to thier family in Cuba, we look like terrorists.<

Tough love my friend. Get caught reading the wrong thing in Cuba can 
get you executed. BTW you have been using an inncorrect definition of 
Terrorism. 

> Those people blowing themselves up in Iraq and Israel aren't doing it 
coz they love blowing up things...in their eyes, WE are terrorists, 
they are freedom fighters.<

A Terrorist intentionally attacks civilian targets of no military 
significance. They have been brainwashed into believing this is an act 
of a freedom fighter. It is not. Terrorism will only increase violence.
Wars, like we are fighting in Afganistan and Iraq have been bringing 
these Terrorists out of there hidy holes. But it is "they" who are 
unconcerned about collateral damage. It would be interesting to find 
the real stats which lists Iraqi civilians killed by US strikes VS 
Terrorist bombings and mortor attacks. Don't forget Sadamned was 
killing tens of thousands of his own people every year using REAL 
torture and sadistic acts of violence. The incedent at Abu Garha was 
nothing compared to the real torture that was practiced there under 
Sadamned.

>You know history well, and you're damn smart, so you know throughout 
history that each side of a battle, or war, thinks God is on their 
side...<

The real follower hopes he is on Gods side.

>Al Zarquawi is a war hero to many, he is fighting with no 
military...he is using beheadings as a 500 lb bomb.<

No he is using them in a feable attempt to make people afraid. A 500LB 
bomb would destroy a military target. All he is doing is pi$$ing us off.
He will be hunted down like the rabid animal he is.

>i hate everything he is doing, but let's understand what's going on.  
He sees us as the terrorists.<

BS, he sees us as an opportunity to increase his standing amongst the 
Terrorists in an attempt to garner his little piece of the pie or 
history. He wants power not freedom.

> liberally yours....tony

And answered w/o pulling punches,
Stuntman 
> 
>> Heyyyy Super Stunt.....sorry i didn't get back sooner, but i'm 
lazy!! ; )  
> ....you're RIGHT, we have a short history, and what i consider 
a 'short  memory'....i think we could've learned more lessons in what 
we did to your ancestors. 

I think we have, instead of starving a people we provided humanitarian 
aid in both Afganistan and Iraq. Instead of cheap dumb bombs we have 
developed and are using precision weapons to cause as little colateral 
damage as possible, and went as far as preserving Mosques the enemy 
used to fight from rather than damage them even though it would have 
saved more american lives to just blow them up.
  
> And your also right about our own gov modeled after the Iroqouis 
tribe  (sp)....they had a confederacy of 6 tribes to worked closely 
together.  Ben Franklin was very impressed with what seem to work very 
well,  and i'm sure it was on his mind as the constitution was formed.<

>Of course white dudes turned them on each other, making them choose 
British or colonists.<

If you study history, it was the British who divided them. Also some 
were convinced they had more to gain by siding with them, maybe w/o the 
knowledge that the British passed out small pox infested blankets after 
the Shade rebellion.

> Exactly how far back are we supposed to brush off  genocide as an act 
of the times???<

America had started turning around shortly before the beginning of the 
20th century.
   
>I know you'll hate to hear this from some bleedingheart liberal, 
> but we (America) are seen as the terrorist in many cases around the 
World.<

But that doesn't make it so.
  
> 1.  When we kill innocent civilians, or blow their homes up in Iraq 
without so much as a mention, we are sometimes seen as terrorists.<

Try watching FOX cable news, you'll see it mentioned. However I lay the 
blame on the REAL Terrorists who hide behind women and children by 
using houses in crowded neighborhoods to launch attacks from. Just a 
couple of days ago they showed a house used by them totaly destroyed 
while houses on both sides escaped destruction.

> 2.  when we throw our money n guns behind leaders, like Pinocet of 
Chile, who murder thousands, we look kinda bad,< 

In Chile, they have been fighting communist terrorists for decades. At 
the same time the US is continuing a failed "war on drugs". The enemy 
of my enemy makes for strange bed fellows. Unfortunetly at one time 
this was a description of Sadamned at one time who, like Noriega who 
was also a poor choice, we removed both from power rectifying those 
mistakes.  

> 3.  When we shut off any commerce, travel or making it illegal for 
family to give money to thier family in Cuba, we look like terrorists.<

Tough love my friend. Get caught reading the wrong thing in Cuba can 
get you executed. BTW you have been using an inncorrect definition of 
Terrorism. 

> Those people blowing themselves up in Iraq and Israel aren't doing it 
coz they love blowing up things...in their eyes, WE are terrorists, 
they are freedom fighters.<

A Terrorist intentionally attacks civilian targets of no military 
significance. They have been brainwashed into believing this is an act 
of a freedom fighter. It is not. Terrorism will only increase violence.
Wars, like we are fighting in Afganistan and Iraq have been bringing 
these Terrorists out of there hidy holes. But it is "they" who are 
unconcerned about collateral damage. It would be interesting to find 
the real stats which lists Iraqi civilians killed by US strikes VS 
Terrorist bombings and mortor attacks. Don't forget Sadamned was 
killing tens of thousands of his own people every year using REAL 
torture and sadistic acts of violence. The incedent at Abu Garha was 
nothing compared to the real torture that was practiced there under 
Sadamned.

>You know history well, and you're damn smart, so you know throughout 
history that each side of a battle, or war, thinks God is on their 
side...<

The real follower hopes he is on Gods side.

>Al Zarquawi is a war hero to many, he is fighting with no 
military...he is using beheadings as a 500 lb bomb.<

No he is using them in a feable attempt to make people afraid. A 500LB 
bomb would destroy a military target. All he is doing is pi$$ing us off.
He will be hunted down like the rabid animal he is.

>i hate everything he is doing, but let's understand what's going on.  
He sees us as the terrorists.<

BS, he sees us as an opportunity to increase his standing amongst the 
Terrorists in an attempt to garner his little piece of the pie or 
history. He wants power not freedom.

> liberally yours....tony

And answered w/o pulling punches for the misguided PC crowd,
Stuntman 
> 
>-- 
It's not the fall that hurts.

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