An eight-month-old fetus is very different from an embryo. That's why there
are laws against abortion after a certain time. No, I don't see a problem with
using what I don't consider a human life to better myself and anyone like us.
We're different than 50-150 cells that are going to be destroyed anyway.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Angie,
I do respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it. You at least state
that you define "a life" as having a consciousness. I am not aware if an 8
month old fetus has a consciousness or not but I would consider that stage of
development a life. That is why I define a human life from the point of
conception, joining of a egg and sperm.
You wonder why you shouldn't have the option to use embryos for research just
because you don't consider it a life? You don't see a problem with the premise
of your question? You don't consider it a life so why should anyone prevent you
from taking it to better your life.
At 11:07 AM 4/8/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course. But look at some of the
people around, can we really say that all human life is precious? I can't.
There are just some people living their lives out there walking around and
breathing that don't deserve to be. However, these are people, not just 50-150
cells that don't have a consciousness, what I consider life. And these 50-150
cells are just going to be destroyed anyway. Why not let them serve a purpose.
Shouldn't those of us who want a cure to be found, including using embryonic
stem cell research, be able to have that option? If you don't want to be
treated, potentially cured and able-bodied again someday from what this
research finds, just don't accept that treatment. Stay trapped in your body if
you'd like. But don't take that chance for living again, really living, away
from those of us who want a shot at it. I would gladly donate my eggs to be
fertilized via in vitro, solely for the purpose of being used for embryonic
stem cell research.
CURE not care-
Angie Novak
Dan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Human life is sacred and an embryo is the initial stage of life. I would
like to be up and around and Independent but not at the sacrifice of another
human life. Dan T.
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We
should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate
funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow
abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend.
At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my
response:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
The public discussion of human embryo research has too often lacked
intellectual honesty, which has only compounded the confusion of an issue of
great scientific and moral complexity, say Robert P. George professor of
jurisprudence at Princeton University and a member of the President's Council
on Bioethics and Rev. Thomas V. Berg, executive director of the Westchester
Institute for Ethics and the Human Person.
Consequently, there are certain facts on which people on either side of the
moral debate should be able to agree, say George and Berg. For example:
There is no "ban" on human embryonic stem cell (ESC) research in the United
States; the federal government has funded such research to the tune of $130
million dollars since 2001, and the United States continues to be the
international leader in the field.
We are a long way away from therapies derived from embryonic stem cells;
many leading stem cell researchers have echoed the fact that there may be no
breakthrough any time soon.
Standard embryology texts insist that from the zygote (single-cell embryo)
stage forward there exists a new living member of the species homo sapiens that
has the active potential to develop by an internally directed process towards
maturity.
Also:
There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the
reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells
from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not
an embryo), altered nuclear transfer.
Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a
healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good.
The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many
scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such
things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development.
Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall
Street Journal, March 14, 2007.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html
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