I don't see any great issues with saving input state data to external
file(s). It provides options for versioning and copying an XML or JSON or
what have you with a .qtz is no big deal from my perspective.

QC files can save images drop onto them so I don't see why a plug-in can't
invoke some kind of data bundling(?)  in a similar way. But then I can't
code Cocoa so what would I know :)

On 3 May 2010 19:14, Achim Breidenbach <ac...@boinx.com> wrote:

> Hello George,
>
> the problem I see is that, when you try to save data to the qtz file from a
> plugin point of view, you don't have any connections back to your container
> file where your plugin instance was originally extracted from. So I see no
> way for a plugin to find the host composition file to store data in.
>
> Any ideas how to solve this problem?
>
> Best,
>
> Achim Breidenbach
> Boinx Software
>
> On 03.05.2010, at 07:29, George Toledo wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jerry Smith <je...@sonsmi.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback, Chris and Achim.
>>
>> I am writing before coming back to this -- I was thinking there could be a
>> solution using logic/conditionals. The Signal patch could trigger a Sample
>> and Hold on startup, right? Macros/patches keep their values, so why so
>> difficult?
>>
>
> Sample and Hold only has a Virtual input. Virtual data isn't able to be
> stored to file, or in-composition. Trying to store something across Open and
> Saves with Sample and Hold is going to be a gigantic time burner, and
> doesn't work.
>
> It would be technically possible to have a version of Sample and Hold that
> embedded data in the qtz, and it could do it with any data type, save for
> Virtual. The Kineme Value Historian is a version of this concept that will
> store many data types, but not Images, Virtual, Interaction, Structure or
> other non-standard types. Yes, it does have Virtual Inputs, but stores a few
> different data types through conversion.
>
> I don't think that Value Historian is configured in a way that makes it an
> instant replacement for Sample and Hold, but you may be able to make it work
> for you. It could very well be extended to save other data types, and you
> may want to file a feature request, or request a quote if there is some
> functionality that you need that isn't there.
>
> I don't believe Achim is correct that data cannot be stored in-composition
> with a custom patch. Any data type is able to be embedded in a qtz, though
> large file sizes can cause problems when attempting to run the resulting
> qtz. There shouldn't be a technical problem with recording user data to the
> actual qtz file, and having a patch have a setting to retrieve that data.
>
>
> Best,
> George Toledo
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