On Wednesday, 28 September 2016 12:20:47 UTC+10, johny...@sigaint.org  wrote:
> A bit late to the party (as they say) in this discussion, but why is it so
> important to suspend/restore in the first place?

A bit late to the party? What party is this? I started this thread.
I don't want to suspend/restore. My PC never suspends.

> I'm generally not one to rationalize a bug by saying "well, just don't do
> that," or "don't use that feature"; but the whole suspend/restore thing
> does seem to add a layer of complexity to the whole security mess, with a
> lot of CPU/BIOS/motherboard dependencies and such.
Okay, I see that you are going to keep going on about the suspend/restore that 
I don't use and that isn't the issue here, so I'll stop reading your post here, 
and let you re-read my posts so that you can then re-post with your thoughts 
and all on the actual topic, not the complete reverse of what I 
have/use/want/do that is the actual issue. :}

> It's never worked well for me, from the days of the first laptop that
> promised to suspend/restore, up until my last Macbook.  :)  Maybe I've
> just lost one too many sessions from a failed suspend/restore, that I've
> been turned off of the feature.  Or maybe I just don't leave the house
> enough.
> I like to leverage all the hardware/software features I can, but
> suspend/restore never seemed worth the trouble in most cases.
> Suspend/restore doesn't quite reach the 26x increase in complexity I
> perceived in the Wifi vs. Ethernet comparison, but it's probably at least
> 2x or 3x the complexity and dependency upon a variety of processor/mobo
> features.
> For a laptop on the go, okay, I can see the argument.  But I don't think
> most Qubes users are on laptops, given the hardware requirements.  (Very
> much moreso with 4.0. :P)  Correct me if I'm wrong.
> Why do you need to suspend?
> A good, strong, password for your user account, making sure you have
> physical security (or at least awareness if it's been breached), and/or
> shutting down when you need to, works fine for me.  (At last I hope, lol.)
> It would be nice to see "xl save" and "xl restore" (which basically
> hibernate a VM) smoothly integrated into Qubes, so the VM Manager
> supported it, or at least was aware of it.  Which would reduce the need
> for a true hardware suspend/restore (if you can restore a VM fully after a
> full reboot).
> But if you need to keep your current state, why not just keep the machine
> on?  (And securely locked/monitored?)  I'm hardly flush with cash, but the
> electricity cost of keeping a PC on 24/7 isn't exactly breaking the bank.
> And the alternative of shutting it down (and taking the disks with me)
> when I leave, isn't terribly inconvenient, w.r.t. the risks, either.
> Apologies if I completely missed the point, as I so often do.  And maybe
> I'm wrong and most Qubes users are running around with high powered,
> compatible laptops.
> I'm just looking to find out the motivations for such a feature that
> brings additional complexity.
> Cheers
> JJ

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