On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 3:11:15 PM UTC-5, Loren Rogers wrote: > On 11/24/2016 01:39 PM, Loren Rogers wrote: > > > > > > On 11/24/2016 03:57 AM, Pawel Debski wrote: > >> W dniu środa, 23 listopada 2016 00:34:09 UTC+1 użytkownik Drew White > >> napisał: > >>> On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 13:41:30 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>>> On 11/21/2016 06:24 PM, Drew White wrote: > >>>>> On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 06:04:43 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>>>>> On 11/21/2016 11:04 AM, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>>>>>> On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly > >>>>>>>>> shuts > >>>>>>>>> itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the > >>>>>>>>> Anon-Whonix VM. It > >>>>>>>>> seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the > >>>>>>>>> problem. > >>>>>>>>> I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to > >>>>>>>>> happen > >>>>>>>>> after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes > >>>>>>>>> ends > >>>>>>>>> up in > >>>>>>>>> a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to > >>>>>>>>> shutdown. > >>>>>>>>> (The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, > >>>>>>>>> then the fan > >>>>>>>>> cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, > >>>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>>> times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned > >>>>>>>>> elsewhere, > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm > >>>>>>>>> not sure if > >>>>>>>>> this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard > >>>>>>>>> (just > >>>>>>>>> browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not > >>>>>>>>> particularly hot > >>>>>>>>> to the touch. > >>>>>>>> When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's > >>>>>>>> actually doing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and > >>>>>>>> quiet > >>>>>>>> in the boot config. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Then you will see where the issue is. > >>>>>>> Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like > >>>>>>> it'll > >>>>>>> go by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also > >>>>>>> write > >>>>>>> its activity to a log somewhere? > >>>>>> I can now confirm that it's an over heating issue. When it went > >>>>>> into the > >>>>>> automatic shutdown sequence, I pressed escape and managed to take > >>>>>> note > >>>>>> of a few of the messages. One of the very first ones was > >>>>>> something about > >>>>>> "thermal_zone_0 critical temperature reached: 128C", which I > >>>>>> assume is > >>>>>> the cause. (This isn't an exact quote, since I noted it from > >>>>>> memory.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This raises some questions: > >>>>>> - What could be causing this overheating issue in Whonix? > >>>>>> - Is 128C a normal temperature for the safety shutdown to kick in? > >>>>>> - Does Qubes have a warning / alert system for potential > >>>>>> overheat? (Like > >>>>>> low battery) > >>>>> It is a high temperature, but does it ONLY happen in Whonix? > >>>>> Or if you push the PC does it happen also? > >>>>> Have you tried limiting the threads Whonix can use? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sometimes CPUs have shutdown at 99 degrees. > >>>>> So 128 degrees is a bit high in my own opinion. > >>>>> > >>>>> I recommend you check the CPU Fan and heatsinks (if it has them). > >>>> Thanks for the input - I just dusted out the fan, and we'll see if it > >>>> helps. It wasn't too bad, but we'll see if there's an improvement. > >>>> > >>>> No, it also randomly goes into auto-shutdown when backing up VMs. > >>>> However, that happens about 20% of the time. Whonix seems to do it > >>>> about > >>>> 80% of the time, the other 20% I figure I shut it down before it > >>>> does so > >>>> on its own. I figure there may be something in the Whonix VM that's > >>>> causing my processor to over work itself. The auto-shutdowns may be > >>>> ultimately linked to dust in the fan or something like that, but if > >>>> there's something processor intensive in Whonix, it may be worth > >>>> looking > >>>> into. > >>>> > >>>> Also, a heat warning message would be nice. I assume the thresholds > >>>> are > >>>> set via the bios - is there a standard way of monitoring this? (I'm > >>>> not > >>>> particularly well versed in this sort of thing.) > >>> > >>> > >>> I recommend you get your HDD checked, and your RAM. > >>> > >>> Test both thoroughly. > >>> Could be some bad sectors. > >>> Also run a smartd check. > >>> > >>> Some PCs have system diagnostics built in for RAM in the startup > >>> sequence. > >> Thinkpads have known problem that after long time of usage GPU > >> radiator glued to the chip goes loose and X201 is rather older model. > >> Not sure how to measure GPU temp but if this is the case you can > >> improve it yourself with superglue & silver smear or any repair shop > >> around shall do it for a few coppers. > > Thanks everyone -- this is great info. > > > > I think the dust removal was really helpful. I've noticed that the fan > > is working a lot less, and it's not crashing during backups like it > > did before. I'll check the HDD and RAM soon, and I'll keep the GPU > > radiator issue in mind. (I had no idea this was an issue - thanks for > > the pointer!) > > > > Any thoughts on a temperature warning message? > > Also, returning to the original issue, I've attached a photo of the > output logs when the machine hangs during shutdown. (I pressed esc while > the Qubes logo was showing, before it locked up.) The last few messages > confirm that I was having an overheating issue, but the device-mapper > messages are new to me. Does anyone have a lead on what this may be?
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