On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 13:41:30 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > On 11/21/2016 06:24 PM, Drew White wrote: > > On Tuesday, 22 November 2016 06:04:43 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > >> On 11/21/2016 11:04 AM, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>> On 11/21/2016 12:42 AM, Drew White wrote: > >>>> On Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:56:03 UTC+11, Loren Rogers wrote: > >>>>> Another correlation I've noticed is that my machine randomly shuts > >>>>> itself down without warning when I'm browsing in the Anon-Whonix VM. It > >>>>> seems that simply having the Whonix browser open causes the problem. > >>>>> I've not been able to pin down an exact cause, but it seems to happen > >>>>> after about 5-20min. When this happens, the machine sometimes ends > >>>>> up in > >>>>> a hung state (black screen) at the end of the shutdown process. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've also noticed that the fan speeds up right at it starts to > >>>>> shutdown. > >>>>> (The screen turns to the Qubes logo with the progress bar, then the fan > >>>>> cranks up.) Sometimes the bar makes it all the way to the end, other > >>>>> times it seems to simply crash to a hault. As I mentioned elsewhere, > >>>>> the > >>>>> Thinkpad X201t is known to have overheating issues, but I'm not sure if > >>>>> this is related. I'm not working the machine particularly hard (just > >>>>> browsing articles on the web), and the hardware is not particularly hot > >>>>> to the touch. > >>>> When it gets to the qubes logo screen, press ESC to see what it's > >>>> actually doing. > >>>> > >>>> If you wish to always know what it's doing, turn off rhgb and quiet > >>>> in the boot config. > >>>> > >>>> Then you will see where the issue is. > >>> Thanks, I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I feel like it'll > >>> go by too quickly for me to see what's happening; does it also write > >>> its activity to a log somewhere? > >> I can now confirm that it's an over heating issue. When it went into the > >> automatic shutdown sequence, I pressed escape and managed to take note > >> of a few of the messages. One of the very first ones was something about > >> "thermal_zone_0 critical temperature reached: 128C", which I assume is > >> the cause. (This isn't an exact quote, since I noted it from memory.) > >> > >> This raises some questions: > >> - What could be causing this overheating issue in Whonix? > >> - Is 128C a normal temperature for the safety shutdown to kick in? > >> - Does Qubes have a warning / alert system for potential overheat? (Like > >> low battery) > > It is a high temperature, but does it ONLY happen in Whonix? > > Or if you push the PC does it happen also? > > Have you tried limiting the threads Whonix can use? > > > > Sometimes CPUs have shutdown at 99 degrees. > > So 128 degrees is a bit high in my own opinion. > > > > I recommend you check the CPU Fan and heatsinks (if it has them). > > Thanks for the input - I just dusted out the fan, and we'll see if it > helps. It wasn't too bad, but we'll see if there's an improvement. > > No, it also randomly goes into auto-shutdown when backing up VMs. > However, that happens about 20% of the time. Whonix seems to do it about > 80% of the time, the other 20% I figure I shut it down before it does so > on its own. I figure there may be something in the Whonix VM that's > causing my processor to over work itself. The auto-shutdowns may be > ultimately linked to dust in the fan or something like that, but if > there's something processor intensive in Whonix, it may be worth looking > into. > > Also, a heat warning message would be nice. I assume the thresholds are > set via the bios - is there a standard way of monitoring this? (I'm not > particularly well versed in this sort of thing.)
I recommend you get your HDD checked, and your RAM. Test both thoroughly. Could be some bad sectors. Also run a smartd check. Some PCs have system diagnostics built in for RAM in the startup sequence. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/46ae5b6e-79bd-4e09-a7f8-0bbf6478659e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
