On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:51:27 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > On 06/21/2017 10:57 PM, cooloutac wrote: > > > > > I agree they are super overpriced But i'm not sure we can have 100% libre > > hardware, at least not for desktops. I heard the guy Chris from > > thinkpenguin talk about on a radio show once, how there is really only a > > couple manufactures that dominate the world. You would have to make every > > single part from scratch. > > > > I don't know anything about coreboot or libreboot. Though I know I'd > > actually would like to have secure boot, but I guess I'm crazy. > > > Of course you can, see the TALOS project for libre hardware/firmware > concepts and the KGPE-D16/KCMA-D8 for actual production libre firmware, > there are some POWER computers as well. > > If someone tells you otherwise they don't know what they are talking > about, there is nothing stopping a company from making a libre computer > even a small company as long as they have the cash, purism could have > they just didn't want to. > > Secure Boot is a marketing term for kernel code signing enforcement and > grub already does this, MS "secure" (from you) boot is a way for them to > eventually stop people from running linux.
I searched talos project and see stuff about body armor? The guy from think penguin who sells libre laptops doesn't know what he is talking about? I agree he is a little extreme and paranoid, but The radio show was focused on wireless devices at the time and the dangers of the fcc ruling to lock them, and why purism, nor anybody, truly has a 100% libre machine. There is many firmwares integrated and attached to a mobo, but you are acting as if there is only one. I don't know what you mean secure boot is a way to stop linux. It is supported by all major linux distributions. Even after that myth is proven wrong you still perpetuate it? Even after Richard Stallman himself says its ok to use secure boot? I don't believe grub2 can take the place of secure boot. WOuld it have stopped hacking teams insyde bios exploit? More to it then just the kernel. I believe you would sign the grub but then grub would also be protected. I mean what does grub have to do with the bios? If you want a conspiracy theory here is one. The reason the pyramid is on a dollar is because its human nature for there to be one entity controlling everythign else. If you want a 100% libre computer,you will have to manufacture every single chip on the mobo yourself. Not just the ones with firmwares, Because there is literally only maybe 2 or 3 companies who manufacture certain parts for a mobo in all of the world. Do you know how much time and money, legal and political obstacles that would have? It would take more then the resources of a small indie company. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a719690b-e6ab-42fb-ac8f-3b0a15d939d9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
