On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 7:28:58 AM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 03/13/2018 09:53 PM, Drew White wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:25:12 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >> On 03/13/2018 08:20 PM, Drew White wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:06:22 UTC+11, Chris Laprise  wrote:
> >>>> The current VPN doc is here:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/vpn/
> >>>    
> >>> Thanks for the reply Chris, but that is not what I was looking for as I 
> >>> was wanting to use pptp VPN connections (and similar), not a Qubes VPN.
> >>
> >> I think you mean "not an OpenVPN..."?
> > 
> > I am guessing so, yes, thanks for clarifying.
> > 
> >> FWIW, the resources at those links are meant to be adaptable for
> >> non-OpenVPN setups, and they don't impose any particular type of routing
> >> (other than forbidding access that most call 'leaks'). As for accessing
> >> the LAN directly through a VPN VM, there are simple ways to make an
> >> exception for it.
> >   
> > That's what I don't get. All I want to do is have the VPN connect, nothing 
> > else. So that my AppVM can talk through it to the external.
> OK, this sounds like you want to connect to a remote LAN.
> >>>
> >>> I also want to have one where everything that is going to happen on the 
> >>> remote network is pushed through the VPN, and everything else remains 
> >>> using the local connection.
> >>>
> >>> So there are 2 ways I'm looking at having it work.
> >>>
> >>> But at first, I just want a standard PPTP connection.
> >>
> >> There are plenty of guides out there. But when searching for examples
> >> keep in mind that a Qubes proxyVM behaves much like a router (not a PC
> >> endpoint) so that may be the best type of guide to use.
> > 
> > Exactly, and as a router it should connect a VPN.
> > I used to have it able to do it. So that's why I don't understand why it 
> > isn't working. Since I had it able to do it once before, ages ago, and 
> > nothing has changed since then, and now it isn't working. So it's odd. Thus 
> > I figured maybe something has changed.
> I want to say "Not much has changed in R3.2 networking", but the Linux 
> distros in the templates have changed somewhat over the years. In any 
> case, you'll need to review your configuration and maybe post setup 
> steps to get specific troubleshooting advice.
> At this point, you could focus on fixing the existing configuration or 
> consider a new setup. Unfortunately I haven't noticed other Qubes users 
> posting about PPTP and haven't used it myself for a very long time (only 
> used it on Windows). That may be because PPTP is considered insecure 
> (one reason to switch to OpenVPN or protocol).
> -- 
> Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net
> https://github.com/tasket
> https://twitter.com/ttaskett
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I'll chime in here. You can ignore the firewall scripts and such in that VPN 
doc if you don't care about DNS leaking and such (depends of course on your 
attack model). For all intensive purposes, connecting to your VPN from a proxy 
VM is the same as from an app VM.

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