On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 09:07:42PM -0800, 22...@tutamail.com wrote: > Tough questions and discussion but in the spirit of finding the "best" we can > get laptop for Qubes 4.0 (Best being defined as: available to purchase, > priced right, most open, most "reasonably" secure and...."reasonably simple" > to maintain), for me I see the following as my best options, ranked: > > Lenovo Carbon 5G X1 > Available > Good RAM > Little pricey > Easy install/maintain? Not sure if I can flash these BIOS... > > Lenova 400 series > Available > Affordable > Limited RAM? > Little boxy > Easier to install/maintain > > Librem 'what ever" model > Available > NOT Affordable > Limited RAM? > Reasonably easy to install/maintain! > > G505 > NOT as Available > Affordable > Limited RAM? > Very boxy? > Tough to install/maintain (Flash BIOS?? Out of my scope...) > > > 200 series > NOT as Available? > Affordable > Limited RAM? > Very boxy? > Tough to install/maintain! (Flash BIOS?? Out of my scope...) > > > Dell/HP/Other? > I don't know, but I suspect Qubes was developeded on Lenovo's yet select > models work > > Desk Tops > I need a laptop... > > Keep in mind I might weigh some of the "Easy to install/maintain" perspective > more heavily but I see my best options as: > > 1)Carbon X1 being the ultimate winner (if I want to invest the $1k) > 2)T400+ series for the budget concerned > 3)Librem if you want to get the best you can with out the "fuss" and pay some > $$ > 4)G505/200 if you have the technical know-how/experience > > > What I am struggling to weigh is the security/privacy/trust compromises and > implications I have made/would make? I know G505/200 type products are most > secure but how can I get one pre-installed and done (Easy) yet still balance > trust, security, afford-ability, etc....I fear the open source BIOS are out > of my technical scope to install and maintain. > > I find Librem intriguing with the easiest "most" open source option for the > "reasonable" layman(person)...sure not Intel/AMD/government secure but at > least non chip maker collusion secure? Lets assume Librem screwed up > initially with their claims....are they clear now? Is their product a good > option? > > Decisions, Decisions... > >
lenovo x230s are still widely available, and great for Qubes. Limited to 16GB RAM, but even with HDD and 12 GB perfectly serviceable for Qubes4.0. And *cheap*. Pretty easy to maintain, and no problem with flashing BIOS from linux. I'd still recommend - boxy is the new black. unman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20181111154521.6gghuqm54o7xe3sb%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
