Torm3nt wrote: > I'm not talking me specifically, but I know of other environments that > hvae this issue. Clearly you have the perfect environment where you're > given ample time to achieve all results ;) im a bit like an 'ex smoker' on this issue so sorry if comes on too strong, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and back what carlw said. i _dont_ work in an ideal environment and have too often decided to leave some/many tests out in order to meet an imposed deadline - resulting in much more time lost later. imho time spent writing tests is an investement returning time gains later. ergo, writing tests is even more important when under time constraints. i think time saved in browser, esp for a process intensive scenario pays for the time writing tests. but real returns are with the problems caught and solved now and not down the tack
just my .02 > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Carl Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > But how much time do you spend in the browser??? > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > I am working at it, but the issue isn't with development - often > it's with > > management who don't want to give you the time ;) > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Carl Woodward > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >> > >> If you tried testing everything, you would notice that it > doesn't take > >> much more time. Particularly once you learn the testing framework > >> really well. > >> > >> I think that is the issue with testing, is that it isn't straight > >> forward. You need to work at. I am working at it. > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > >> > That's not entirely true, especially in a client-driven > management > >> > environment. > >> > > >> > More people should use Agile =) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Carl Woodward > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> But you do have time... > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Enrico Teotti > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> And test everything. EVERYTHING... > >> >> > and if you don't have time to test everything I suggest to > >> >> > prioritize: > >> >> > 1) models > >> >> > 2) the app flow with integration tests, stories > (cucumbers?) or maybe > >> >> > selenium > >> >> > 3) spec helpers & controllers > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Carl Woodward > >> >> 0412218979 > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Carl Woodward > >> 0412218979 > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carl Woodward > 0412218979 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
