And I'm not arguing that at all, my point is - not all environments are given this privilege, which is why devs get pissed off.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Glenn Davy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Torm3nt wrote: > > I'm not talking me specifically, but I know of other environments that > > hvae this issue. Clearly you have the perfect environment where you're > > given ample time to achieve all results ;) > im a bit like an 'ex smoker' on this issue so sorry if comes on too > strong, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and back what carlw said. i > _dont_ work in an ideal environment and have too often decided to leave > some/many tests out in order to meet an imposed deadline - resulting in > much more time lost later. imho time spent writing tests is an > investement returning time gains later. ergo, writing tests is even > more important when under time constraints. i think time saved in > browser, esp for a process intensive scenario pays for the time writing > tests. but real returns are with the problems caught and solved now and > not down the tack > > just my .02 > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Carl Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > > But how much time do you spend in the browser??? > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > I am working at it, but the issue isn't with development - often > > it's with > > > management who don't want to give you the time ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Carl Woodward > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >> > > >> If you tried testing everything, you would notice that it > > doesn't take > > >> much more time. Particularly once you learn the testing framework > > >> really well. > > >> > > >> I think that is the issue with testing, is that it isn't straight > > >> forward. You need to work at. I am working at it. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > >> > That's not entirely true, especially in a client-driven > > management > > >> > environment. > > >> > > > >> > More people should use Agile =) > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Carl Woodward > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> But you do have time... > > >> >> > > >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Enrico Teotti > > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> And test everything. EVERYTHING... > > >> >> > and if you don't have time to test everything I suggest to > > >> >> > prioritize: > > >> >> > 1) models > > >> >> > 2) the app flow with integration tests, stories > > (cucumbers?) or maybe > > >> >> > selenium > > >> >> > 3) spec helpers & controllers > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Carl Woodward > > >> >> 0412218979 > > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Carl Woodward > > >> 0412218979 > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carl Woodward > > 0412218979 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
