Glenn Davy wrote: > Torm3nt wrote: >> I'm not talking me specifically, but I know of other environments that >> hvae this issue. Clearly you have the perfect environment where you're >> given ample time to achieve all results ;) > im a bit like an 'ex smoker' on this issue so sorry if comes on too > strong, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and back what carlw said. i > _dont_ work in an ideal environment and have too often decided to leave > some/many tests out in order to meet an imposed deadline - resulting in > much more time lost later. imho time spent writing tests is an > investement returning time gains later. ergo, writing tests is even > more important when under time constraints. i think time saved in > browser, esp for a process intensive scenario pays for the time writing > tests. but real returns are with the problems caught and solved now and > not down the tack This is a trade-off to be weighed by the business, as developers we need to be able to convince them that it is worthwhile (too much interest ;).
"Technical debt" isn't always a bad thing, just like normal debt [1]. I know I've worked on low value things that are potentially time consuming to test properly (usually legacy). Even when bugs crop up, I have found often it was still prudent to not have a thorough test suite (usually just a big integration test "does this not blow up"). So maybe I'm crap at testing. I get better at that on my own time or get the business to pay for some time for me to get better. Xav [1] Though normally it is > > just my .02 >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Carl Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> >> But how much time do you spend in the browser??? >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> > I am working at it, but the issue isn't with development - often >> it's with >> > management who don't want to give you the time ;) >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Carl Woodward >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> If you tried testing everything, you would notice that it >> doesn't take >> >> much more time. Particularly once you learn the testing framework >> >> really well. >> >> >> >> I think that is the issue with testing, is that it isn't straight >> >> forward. You need to work at. I am working at it. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Torm3nt <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> > That's not entirely true, especially in a client-driven >> management >> >> > environment. >> >> > >> >> > More people should use Agile =) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Carl Woodward >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> But you do have time... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Enrico Teotti >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> And test everything. EVERYTHING... >> >> >> > and if you don't have time to test everything I suggest to >> >> >> > prioritize: >> >> >> > 1) models >> >> >> > 2) the app flow with integration tests, stories >> (cucumbers?) or maybe >> >> >> > selenium >> >> >> > 3) spec helpers & controllers >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Carl Woodward >> >> >> 0412218979 >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Woodward >> >> 0412218979 >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carl Woodward >> 0412218979 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
