Thanks guys for allowing me to survive<G> As I was *sure that fireing on the "Jesus first- Jesus Only" was sure to be the place where I fell thru the thin ice<G>
I'm just outside the borders of traditional Ranger oversight, and not under domination of any Aog Minister at the moment, other than the ties to my *Dad<G> I spent a week at Scout camp and got to talk with the chaplan who spent the summer.. *He was a Christian and had become saved from a Catholic heritage in a AoG church. He now attends a community church and felt called to volenteer as a Chaplan at this Scout camp. *His duties were varied, and light.. so he set up a screened shelter and invited anyone anytime to stop and play a game of chess<G> Boys and Adults did.. *As the sun broke on the lake each day.. Chaplan would begin to sing praise songs to Jesus<G> His voice carried thru the camp, and later he's be availible to play chess. He was respectful, quiet, patient and kind.. He participated in the campfire skits and was open and honest in all ways about his role. *He didn't preach. *He just listened and answered questions.. waited and asked the next one while playing Chess- *He was serious about both being a chaplan *and a chess player<G> Cdr.Jen was there too- and we went to talk to him, and the temptation was to blurt out Royal Ranger history and experiances and Buzz talk<G> *But the man just listened... (WE talked while doing some laundry<G>) He beautifuly explained the reasons for a growing Community church movement, and the need to keep things as basic-simple as possible. The part where he said that he didn't have to hit the nail on the head or drive a point home, ..got me thinking..<G> Earlier, when in transition from OP207 to OP354 that folded.. *I was lectureing older Challangers on the subject of "critical thinking" I had circles and diagrams on a chalk board with arrows and suddenly a wistle blew! "WE GOT TO GO NOW!" And the OP354 boys ran downstairs, lined up and stood bone straight for inspection.. Commander came around, smelled them and checked them for difeciencies or random movement. If they passed his muster- a treat of candy was given them. *I even got a chunk, even tho I was sitting on a desk watching. WE RETURNED UPSTAIRS- And I tossed my candy in the trash. I told the boys how I had seen a "Master" train a dog to hunt. I infered that they needed to "think criticaly" and choose to respond when called on, and mayby not just *react to a set of expectations contrived by another, even a Leader. This didn't win favor with Dr.Commander when his son explained to his Dad that Commander Duane thought he was treating his boys like bird dogs... there was a moment of energy there... a spark! We worked it out<G> +-Duane-> --- Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well said. I too found my self agreeing with both Bob and A#1 at times > and disagreeing at times as well. I was going to post this a couple > days > ago...but never got to it. > > Everything we do as Royal Rangers needs to be bent around Jesus. > Reaching, Teaching, Keeping all require a solid faith in Jesus and what > he has done for us at the Cross. In one way it might be being a good > ear > and just listening. Another time it might be giving good council. > Another time it maybe saying nothing and doing something. The next > time > it may very well be showing the young man how to stay dry in a rain > storm > with what you have. I can think of a gill ion things that would be a > right thing to do and yet if I did only that one good thing every time I > would soon be very very wrong. The balance is the key. The emblem > story > that was shared here on Ranger net comes to mind where the points of the > emblem were way out of balance. > > Good posts by all parties on this topic. I have enjoyed the line of > thought. > > Mark Jones > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:38:05 -0800 Ken Komoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > I'm thinking we are talking apples and oranges here. > > > > The original intent of Rangers is to 'Reach, Teach and Keep boys for > > Christ'. > > > > I do NOT see where it says 'Raise Self-esteem' as a purpose for our > > Ministry. > > > > In one sense, I heartily agree with Bob: We must evangelize boys, > > that's > > our purpose. > > But we do not do this 100% of the time. This is where Duane comes > > in. When you look at the basic meeting plan, we get a one minute > > prayer to > > begin, 5-10 minutes for Bible Study and 5 minutes for a devotion. > > In a 90 > > minute meeting, that makes up just a little over 10% of our time. > > The rest > > of the time is the 'bait' time that brings the boy to the meeting. > > During > > that time, if we can help a boy feel better about himself, all is > > well and > > good. > > > > But Duane, we are not professional ministers. It was never intended > > to be > > that way. As men in the church, we are supposed to be living > > examples of > > what boys should try to be. And while we teach to them to hike and > > start > > fires and build pinewood derby cars, we share the joy of Jesus we > > have in > > our lives. In the 10 or 15 minutes that we get to do actual > > 'churchy' > > stuff, we're not preaching (at least we shouldn't be), we are > > sharing > > biblical principles thru the bible study and for our devotions, we > > are > > telling stories with a spiritual or life application. If you can > > give an > > altar call, all the better. > > > > You two are NOT disagreeing, you are talking about two different > > things. Bob is talking about our reason for being. Duane is > > talking about > > how we get the boy there to do that. The problem lies in trying to > > make > > Rangers 100% of one part or the other. As leaders, we are seriously > > in > > error when we try to run a Royal Ranger program that does not do > > BOTH things... > > ================== > > Kenneth Komoto, Commander mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Adventure Rangers Outpost 193 Phone: (530)752-7197 > > Southpointe Christian Center Fax : (530)752-0329 > > Sacramento, Ca 95828 > > > > _______ > > > > "Do to others as you would have them do to you." > > -- Luke 6:31 (NIV) > > > > List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: > > http://RangerNet.org/faq.htm > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > > > > > > > Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download a Free Royal > Ranger Database visit my website at: > http://home.classicnet.net/mjones02/index.html > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > _______ > > "Do to others as you would have them do to you." > -- Luke 6:31 (NIV) > > List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: > http://RangerNet.org/faq.htm > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm ===== *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. --------------********+********-------------------- Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, and both in the .....cause! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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