--- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True theres more to life than talking about Jesus -theres walking with > Him, > talking with Him. He is the Way, the Truth and the "Life". Out of Him > flow > all the issues of life. Life with out Him is dead-lifeless and > meaningless.
I think you confuse a doctrine of Jesus first.. with a gospel of peace, where we have a duty to stand for Justice, Peace and the welfare of all God's children. God gives us povidence to minister with talent and with our fortune. Along that path we share a Duty to God,our self and others.. Perhaps our duty is as you prescribe.. or perhaps our duty to God will have us become Doctors,Lawyers and Mechanics. All service, includeing being of good cheer and becomeing good company is worship to his presence. > If I teach boys anything else it will not help them for eternity. Wrong.. We find God in our own way. The Holy Spirit does the work. His tools are many, and found in Nature,Communication,Education,Art and Science. Therefore, our ministry my be to proclaim, or it may be to abide in faith. Our trails are adventures in learning by *process.. I object to giveing the absolute answer to every question a boy raises. Who am I to "box in" his intrest and curosity. I may in fact "Teach" by many suttle ways of being a encouragement and a guide. > I take Rangers a step further-If I cook them some food over a campfire I > have fed them for one meal. If I teach how to cook over a campfire I > have fed them for a lifetime. I get that concept- I agree, however NO BOY SCOUT has ever starved to death on a campout. That may be that, all campouts are short term.. or it may be that what food is brought is allways just enough.. cooked any way as they do.. and it even may mean that the boys cook *their food and cook mine over there- as I see fit<G> If I teach them about Jesus I have fed them for > eternity. Now thats keeping them for Christ! *Ok- got it, and- After I was told about Jesus 45,000 times.. I sort of wondered what I would become in life. I wondered what successful people do and what my Professors were trying to say.. I came away loseing my Dad over this.. He's a AoG head in the Bible Jesus first old man. He like you say's ALL IS FOLLY save Jesus. *I disagree.. I say catching a Steelhead trout has worth. Rideing down a road with the wind in my long hair was FREEDOM and liveing Life with balance is wisdom. > This life is but a vapor-it disppears real fast-before you know it. We > will > be standing before the Father and He will ask us what we have done in > our > life of eternal value. Right Bob.. *I'm ready.. My life is not a waste when I tell my son that I love him the way he is right now and the way he will become.. No one can be perfect and justifyed when born in sin.. *But once that sin is forgiven, we are free. This thing, "Freedom" takes some time to fall in love with. We learn it, and it isn't natural to all people. Some are prone to bondage, slavery and vices.. some suffer low self esteam or have been dominated into subjection. God brakes those chains. Camping, cooking, fishing, hiking, and all the > "Ranger stuff" won't cut it. When He sees boys names written in the > "Lambs > Book of Life" and knows that you helped to get their name there and they > in > turn helped others get there then He say "Well done thou good and > faithful > servant, enter into the eternal joy of the Lord." > Anything else is a waste of time. Bull Pucky on a hot plate. The entire life of Christ was spent outdoors on a extended Campout/Hike! *IF Jesus, would have had access to a Mountian Bike, he would have rode and gotten air off a bump.. he would have enjoyed dressing in layers, and sleeping in a nice down bag in the desert and a poly-fibre bag in a wet climet<G> Jesus would have cooked with a dutch oven or enjoyed low impact de-hydrated food just like you. Because he was a OUTDOOR KIND OF GUY! > Sure we can use things to gain their interest but we should never lose > sight of the real goal. Souls for eternity. Amen. We do that in "one way" right? Duane > Bob Simons > Outpost 48 > Tucson, AZ. > O'Day 20 > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "This Lil'light'r Mine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Rangernet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: [RR] Eagle's nest- the next adventure > > > > > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Introduce Jesus to them and see what happens. > > > > > > *Right.. > > > > I suspect what advancement and participation we have > > would shift with the re-focus to a purely evangelical > > effort. > > > > > > I can see how this would meet your ethic, but don't think > > it's the same bargan the boys themselves make in attending. > > > > > > Perhaps, there is more to "Life" than talking about *Jesus? > > > > Ben Franklin was a printer, and was raised a puritain. > > (*I can relate) > > > > At the time, Christ was proclaimed in public, and the people > > beleved that lightning was the judgement of God on their wickedness. > > > > Traveling parlor games where in fashion, and spinning disks of > > fur created a intresting spark or jolt if held by the hand... > > > > Ben Franklin with a curious imagination saw the spark and noticed > > it shared the simular color to lighting.. and experimented with > > flying a kite in a storm with a key attached.. *Dangerious BTW! > > > > But the "Key had heated" and Franklin knew that was simular to the > > parlor machines behavior.. *He used his reasoning- > > > > The spark was attracted to the easiest "grounded" object on a > structure > > and by putting the LOGIC togather he.. invented a device to save > > houses from catching fire from lighting. > > > > *Did his discovery of the scientific process and laws of electric > > conductivity encroach on anyones doctrineal beliefs? *Yes.. > > > > People who beleved lightning was judgement from GOD were not > impressed! > > > > > > *However, Franklin thought he had a "Duty" to improve the quality > > of life for people by insightfull re-thinking of how we do things.. > > > > He invented a wood heat stove, that used less wood and put out more > > heat! *Another improvement of liveing conditions for the faithfull > > and the heathen, for the glory of God<G> > > > > *I saw this on PBS TV that I watch quite a bit in preference to > > TBN TV when not watching the Simpsons or King of the Hill<G> > > > > > > Duane > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > > --------------********+********-------------------- > > Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > > and both in the .....cause! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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