What good is a telephone if you don't know how to use it? What good is an AED if you don't know how to use it! AED's are becoming more and more available, granted your not going to find one out in the woods, but we are not in the woods all the time. You may not have one on your truck, but you might in a few years. I can foresee the possibility like a coin box down the block also having an AED station next to it. Having been working at Ohio Bell over 34 years, I've see a lot of changes, most for the better. Our emergency equipment has kept up with today's needs. Training is the key to doing.
Dan Moe & Family ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark W Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [RR] CPR/FA Training Required - Follow up > Hi. Before you flame on. Please keep in mind this very important fact. > In the 24 years I have been CPR Red Cross Trained. The only defibulator I > have seen is in the 45.00 class at the Red Cross Building. Why train > entry level First Aid on something that isn't readily available? The > odds of one being available would better be focused on teaching people to > get 911 services there asap these specially trained people can bring the > defibulator with them. > > As a phoneman who gets around... I am still looking for a defibulator. I > carry a tonearc it could get a heart going or stop one. GRIN! > > Mark Jones. > p.s. Rest assured. If I had access to a Defibulator and knew one was > available I would train on them. Also I do need to remind you....The > other side of this life for a Born Again Christian is lot better than the > best day of this life. > > On Fri, 30 May 2003 7:7:56 -0400 "julie reemelin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > AED is fast becoming a standard of minimum care lots of churches are > > getting them before you decide we do not need the training stop > > think can > > you afford not to have one? Ask do we need anything or just GOD? As > > a nurse > > I think we need every thing that will help ministry verses pulling > > it down. > > Just think Sunday service heart attach pt dies does that help a > > church? > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 5/29/2003 9:18:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: [RR] CPR/FA Training Required - Follow up > > > > > > > > > I would say it is as optional as Ranger Basics. All Commanders > > including > > > Lt. Commanders are encouraged to take Ranger Basics hence the path > > to > > > First Aid and CPR. > > > > > > The fee for Red Cross First Aid and CPR Training in our area is > > about > > > 45.00 per person. I was able to offer it at about 15.00 per boy > > and > > > 20.00 per leader making a very small amount to cover the overhead. > > I > > > think the 45.00 fee is excluding a lot of trained people. Just > > think of > > > it from a money standpoint. If a average church of 12 leaders > > went for > > > FA /CPR Training it would cost almost 545.00 just for a dozen > > leaders and > > > probably a lunch thrown in. Keeping in mind that it would need to > > be > > > redone every year for CPR and every 3 years for First Aid. That > > in > > > itself is a chunk of change. > > > > > > I think it would be better served to break it away from being > > > outsourced... and make a in house RR training course with > > certificate. > > > Do we need defibulator training? Nope - never saw one except in > > a > > > course. Do we need extreme training like that? I don't think > > so. We > > > need to teach the basics and stress call 911. Saying call EMS > > will often > > > get you a blank stare... call 911 they know right now what that > > means. > > > > > > In the past 24 years my experience with CPR and First Aid training > > is > > > they have dumbed it down a bunch. I have taken the course about 6 > > times > > > due to my work requirements. I think we as Royal Ranger > > Commanders could > > > encourage National RR to put together a "Better way" and side > > step this > > > money thing. A Chapter or a few weeks of lessons on this topic > > would fit > > > right in the new modified RR work book. It soul be built in > > every > > > quarter. > > > > > > My two cents...yours may vary. > > > > > > Mark Jones, Spfd South Sectional Commander > > > > > > p.s. In the past two years I facilitated a certified Red Cross > > Course > > > for over a hundred or more RR in our area. I think we as Royal > > Rangers > > > could make something work better for us and our needs. > > > > > > On Thu, 29 May 2003 07:51:44 -0400 "CmdrPier" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > writes: > > > > It appears that CPR/FA training is optional, that is, while it > > is a > > > > stated > > > > requirement, no one is held back if they don't get the > > training. > > > > > > > > After teaching a CPR/FA class last Saturday that was poorly > > > > attended, I > > > > wondered where our leaders are getting trained - not by me (I > > teach > > > > CPR/FA > > > > for our section, and most of the attendees in the last 3 years > > were > > > > non-Rangers). > > > > > > > > Then I wondered if our leaders are untrained, why would the > > > > sponsoring > > > > church let them take children and youth into the outdoors > > without > > > > adequate > > > > first aid training? Are our churches willing to take that risk? > > > > > > Under the > > > > Pennsylvania Good Samaritan laws, it is very difficult to sue > > > > someone, who > > > > while providing aid, you harm the victim PROVIDED you are acting > > > > > > within the > > > > scope of your training. According to the Red Cross, the law is > > so > > > > clear on > > > > this that it is difficult to get an attorney to take one of > > these > > > > cases. > > > > However, if you provide first aid and you haven't been trained, > > or > > > > you don't > > > > have a current card, you risk being sued because under the Good > > > > > > Samaritan > > > > laws because the scope of your training is ZERO, which means you > > do > > > > not > > > > provide treatment, or you do so at your own risk. > > > > > > > > Having decided not to provide treatment because of the risk of > > being > > > > sued > > > > under the Good Samaritan laws, you and the church are now at > > risk of > > > > being > > > > sued by the parents because they entrusted their children to you > > and > > > > the > > > > church, and the church did not provide trained leaders. I > > recall > > > > from BLaw > > > > that the law uses the "reasonable man" concept. In this case, > > would > > > > a > > > > reasonable man assume that an organization taking boys camping, > > with > > > > all the > > > > hazards that go with it (use of knives, axes, etc.), would have > > > > > > leaders > > > > trained to provide care in the event of injury? I think so. > > > > > > > > Now if our leaders are trained elsewhere, is that something the > > > > > > sectional > > > > leadership should track? Should Royal Rangers require all > > leaders > > > > to have > > > > training, if so how do you enforce it? > > > > > > > > I wonder if the churches and the Royal Ranger hierarchy are > > aware of > > > > this > > > > risk? Although our permission slips say we assume no "liability > > in > > > > case of > > > > accident or sickness" (full text below), the courts have ruled > > that > > > > you > > > > cannot contract away responsibility for your negligence. If the > > > > > > District or > > > > National office has reviewed this issue with legal counsel, I'd > > be > > > > curious > > > > to know the outcome. > > > > > > > > I'm thinking that churches should require ALL their workers - > > > > volunteer and > > > > paid - to have CPR/FA training. > > > > > > > > Here's the text from our permission slips: > > > > While striving to ensure a wholesome, safe, and closely > > supervised > > > > environment for the boys in its care, the Penn-Del District, > > > > Southwest > > > > Suburban Section, and Outpost 34 Royal Rangers cannot be held > > liable > > > > for any > > > > unforeseen and unforeseeable accident or injuries which may > > occur > > > > during the > > > > course of any Royal Ranger activity. Responsible leaders, > > persons, > > > > and > > > > acting agents transporting on behalf of the Royal Ranger > > ministry of > > > > the > > > > Assemblies of God assume no personal liability in case of > > accident > > > > or > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > Kelvin Pier > > > > Outpost 34 > > > > Southwest Suburban Section, Penn-Del District > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > > > > > > > List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: > > > > http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download a Free Royal Ranger Database. It's packed with goodies > > and it > > > will make record keeping fun! > > > Over 25 related databases and 11 years of field experience. 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