Scott
According to my King James bible John 10 v27 reads, "My sheep hear My voice,
and I know them, and they follow ME. I know whose sheep I want to be. Pray
for your pastoral staff for a lot of them seem to be very insecure people.
BoW
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Date: 08 September 1999 14:13
Subject: RE: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
>David:
>
>I understand your concern but, consider this. God has replaced more
>responsibility on the pastor that he has on us. The pastor is ultimately
>responsible for the Ranger ministry in your church. While the pastor is
not
>the end-all for your Christianity, he is your Shepard and you are the
sheep.
>
>Scott Tobman
>#22, Indiana
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Topper [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:04 PM
>> To: Ranger Net
>> Subject: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
>>
>> No offense to our precious brother Stuart but.......
>>
>> That opening statement kinda rubs me wrong and I don't think it should be
>> ignored.
>> I believe it went something like this:
>>
>> "God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like this.
>> Father
>> Son
>> Holy Spirit
>> Pastor
>> Ministry Leadership"
>>
>>
>> I do recognize the authority and added responsibility of pastoral
>> leadership but I believe we tend to give it more authority and
>> responsibility than the Bible does.
>>
>> We do not need to go through a priest anymore we go directly to God and
>> are responsible directly to God.
>> If our kids are not raised knowing the gospel it's not the children's
>> pastors falt.
>> If our spouse is not being ministered to it's not the falt of WMs.
>> If we are not involved in the ministry that God has called us to we will
>> answer directly to God.
>> Your Pastor or your "Ministry Leadership" have no authority or
>> responsibility for you or your family. They are responsible for their
>> family and their ministry but only you will answer to God for you and
>> yours.
>>
>> This may seem elementary but you may be surprised how many times we avoid
>> our responsibilities by using this military chain of command leadership
>> model.
>>
>> Maybe you think I'm overreacting to what seems like a small point but I
>> believe many Protestant churches have elevated the pastor to a level
close
>> to the catholic priesthood. No one moves without getting the pastors
>> opinion or blessing. Pastors, lay pastors and pastoral staff taste this
>> highly addictive authority and get used to so it's rarely discouraged.
>>
>> (Did someone say "shepherding")
>>
>>
>> Whew.....glad to get that off my chest.
>>
>> David Topper
>> Vancouver, WA
>>
>>
>> BTW Years in RR 7 as a boy 5 as adult.
>>
>>
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