Whoops!!! You are right in that reguard and didn't mean to state that a
Pastor was in any way like Jesus.
My point was that God has given our pastors a plan to follow. And we are to
follow our pastor.
Sorry for giving the wrong impression.
Scott Tobman
#22, Indiana
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian of Wiggin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Subject: Re: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
>
> Scott
>
> According to my King James bible John 10 v27 reads, "My sheep hear My
> voice,
> and I know them, and they follow ME. I know whose sheep I want to be. Pray
> for your pastoral staff for a lot of them seem to be very insecure people.
>
> BoW
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 08 September 1999 14:13
> Subject: RE: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
>
>
> >David:
> >
> >I understand your concern but, consider this. God has replaced more
> >responsibility on the pastor that he has on us. The pastor is ultimately
> >responsible for the Ranger ministry in your church. While the pastor is
> not
> >the end-all for your Christianity, he is your Shepard and you are the
> sheep.
> >
> >Scott Tobman
> >#22, Indiana
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Topper [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:04 PM
> >> To: Ranger Net
> >> Subject: [RR] 79 - whole new can of worms
> >>
> >> No offense to our precious brother Stuart but.......
> >>
> >> That opening statement kinda rubs me wrong and I don't think it should
> be
> >> ignored.
> >> I believe it went something like this:
> >>
> >> "God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like this.
> >> Father
> >> Son
> >> Holy Spirit
> >> Pastor
> >> Ministry Leadership"
> >>
> >>
> >> I do recognize the authority and added responsibility of pastoral
> >> leadership but I believe we tend to give it more authority and
> >> responsibility than the Bible does.
> >>
> >> We do not need to go through a priest anymore we go directly to God and
> >> are responsible directly to God.
> >> If our kids are not raised knowing the gospel it's not the children's
> >> pastors falt.
> >> If our spouse is not being ministered to it's not the falt of WMs.
> >> If we are not involved in the ministry that God has called us to we
> will
> >> answer directly to God.
> >> Your Pastor or your "Ministry Leadership" have no authority or
> >> responsibility for you or your family. They are responsible for their
> >> family and their ministry but only you will answer to God for you and
> >> yours.
> >>
> >> This may seem elementary but you may be surprised how many times we
> avoid
> >> our responsibilities by using this military chain of command leadership
> >> model.
> >>
> >> Maybe you think I'm overreacting to what seems like a small point but I
> >> believe many Protestant churches have elevated the pastor to a level
> close
> >> to the catholic priesthood. No one moves without getting the pastors
> >> opinion or blessing. Pastors, lay pastors and pastoral staff taste this
> >> highly addictive authority and get used to so it's rarely discouraged.
> >>
> >> (Did someone say "shepherding")
> >>
> >>
> >> Whew.....glad to get that off my chest.
> >>
> >> David Topper
> >> Vancouver, WA
> >>
> >>
> >> BTW Years in RR 7 as a boy 5 as adult.
> >>
> >>
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