[delayed - posted from the wrong address]
No offence taken.
In our home the Divine rule and Authority of God runs like this.
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
Husband
Wife
Children
Now don't get me wrong that does not mean that I lord it over my wife.
We are equal in the eyes of God, 2 joined together as 1.
Heather is prepared to submit to me, and in many situations her wisdom is
greater than mine, and I recieve that. I come along side her and support
her.
I am the covering for my family. and although I have ministry
responsibilities my first ministry is to my family.
We also believe that God's divine rule and authority works in the work
place.
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
Employer
Employee
This should also run in Government
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
Head Of State (in our case Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II)
Government.
It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether the person above you in either
ministry, home life, work or national matters is walking in obedience,
Father God is only interested in the fact that you are walking in
obedience.
Romans 13:1 says Let every person be in subjection to the governing
authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which
exist are established by God.
N.A.S.B.
To our brothers who are in distress at this church, We in England will pray
that the Lord of all glory will be glorified and that a solution will be
found and that the enemy will be crushed.
Finally to answer the point that there is a danger of elevating the pastor
to a lofty height as do some nominal denominations.
I totally agree. My pastor and his wife are my wife and I's closest
friends.
But I recognise through events in my life that God has called me to the
church where I am to be shepparded (yes that word) by this man. Both
Heather and I call Paul & Barbara mom & dad. Paul has a vision for Royal
Rangers in our church and Barbara is one of my commanders.
Now I know that the pastor is to be a father of the house but this guy and
his wife have done so much to help my wife and I and our relationship has
grown so strong that we do call them mum and dad. they have full permission
given by us to speak into our lives. to keep us from falling.
By the same token a friend of mine (who is now our Outpost Chaplain) has
made covenant with me and pastor Paul in the same way that Aaron & Hur made
covenant with Moses, Exodus 17 :10 - 13.
We will watch his back day and night & make sure his hands are steady.
Paul recognises that both Duncan and I, like others in the church have a
prophetic gift, & are gifted in words of wisdom & knowledge. and he has
given permission to all of us with these gifts to speak into his life and
the life of the church.
Paul has a friend form Portland Oregon who for many years was his pastor.
Paul still considers Rick his pastor. At one meeting during the
rededication of our building, at the end of a construction project, Rick
took Duncan & I and placed our hands on Pauls back. He said to Paul "listen
to these guys buddy. God has made them your council" he turned to us and
said " God has solemly charged you guys with looking our for Paul to stand
in the gap with him at all times. Don't let anything happen to him"
That is how we operate God's divine rule and authority. I know it is a
toughy for some christians to swallow, because it means putting to death
the flesh daily, killing our pride, becoming each day more humble. (I have
been passed over for ministry many times before. It's been hard but God
always had something better lined up for me.) But, it is not some
regimental military code. It is God's plan for how all members of the body
live and function together in unity.
Yours in the love of Jesus
Determined to win Children & Parents for Christ.
Stu Precious
Senior Commander & Childrens Ministries Co-ordinator
Outpost England 51, Pendle Community Church, Nelson, Lancashire.
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> From: Stuart Precious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Rangernet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Duane Wheeler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [RR] 79 Resigned
> Date: 06 October 1999 12:46:pm
>
> Well said brother, excellent post.
>
> God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like this.
>
> Father
>
> Son
>
> Holy Spirit
>
> Pastor
>
> Ministry Leadership
>
> I do not know if any of you have ever heard of Rick Godwin. I suggest you
> get the video of his sermon 'Catching the Spirit of the Leader'
>
> He starts by saying that there are only 2 proffessions in this world that
> start from the top down..... Well Digging & Grave Digging.
>
> To those who resigned.... I cannot judge, only God can do that.
>
> But I will say that in our outpost we follow God's divine rule and
> authority.
>
> We get revelation from the top down. to operate our own agenda from the
> bottom up
> is revolution.
>
> If your pastor has a Royal Ranger Outpost figuring in his vision for the
> local corporate body of the church then as commanders and outpost
> councilmen it is your duty to catch hold of that vision and run with it.
> after all it is that pastor, the set man who is providing the covering
for
> your ministry.
>
> to anyone out there reading this please appologise for my tone. I feel
very
> passionate about obedience in this and other associated matters. I do not
> intend any offence.
>
> We are blessed at Nelson, Outpost England 51, because our pastor is 110%
> for us.
>
> Our prayers are that you and especcialy the children you reach are
blessed
> but that most of all Father God is glorified in it.
>
> Yours in Jesus
>
> Stu Precious
>
> Senior Commander
> Outpost England 51
>
> ----------
> > From: Duane Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [RR] 79 Resigned
> > Date: 24 August 1999 06:49:pm
> >
> >
> > *Day two thoughts..
> >
> > > Brothers - I have been lurking in Rangernet for a couple of years now
> and
> > > have been blessed by the ideas, prayers and support shared in this
> network.
> >
> > Rangernet's core group prays for blessings to flow on all Rangers, and
> > invites those "outside the light of the fire" to share at any time...
> >
> > It's my opinion that we all share the warmth of one campfire.
> >
> >
> >
> > > It has been a sad couple of weeks this month as the unimaginable has
> > > happened. I felt led to come out of lurking and ask for prayer for
the
> > > (ex)commanders and boys of what was one of the strongest outposts in
> Ohio
> > > District, Outpost 79.
> >
> > Ohio had a very strong show at the National Camp.. In some ways, as in
> > developing your Ranger campgrounds, you expand the the blessing of Cdr.
> > Johnnies wonderfull dream of an army of boys serveing Jesus!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As I sat in Commander John's living room surrounded by
> > > commanders with almost 150yrs of collective service in the Royal
> Rangers and
> > > one bye one when called upon the almost unanimous vote (myself
included
> ) was
> > > neigh. The question was -- Will you remain on as a commander in our
> outpost?
> > > Why? You ask, well because I am not a member of the church where our
> outpost
> > > meets therefore I cannot comment publicly on what led these men to
> resign
> > > from Rangers and most of them from the church also, but as someone
> outside of
> > > this particular church I have seen enough to know that I clearly
> support
> > > them.
> >
> >
> > *OK.. this woke me up...
> >
> > Here's why.
> >
> > We often use "OUR" vision or sight to decide or judge the situation
based
> > on "OUR" ethic or strongly held belief. When we ally or join a small
> > group,such as Ranger Commander do..
> >
> > We sometimes "prefere" the success or back our efforts for the
> > continuation of the "small group" or personal ministry
> > of friends and self. *That in it's self may not lead to distruction..
> >
> > But it makes it harder for a shepard to lead his flock, or for the Holy
> > Spirit to guide us in our walk to the greater goal... It also builds
> > "exclusiveness" and a shell from outsiders and their ministry and
> > *vision..
> >
> > Voteing to disband and leave a church.. is contrary to our Ranger
Pledge
> > to: *With God's help do my best to SERVE GOD- MY CHURCH- and Fellow
man..
> >
> > If you as a Ranger would preach leaveing a campsight cleaner than when
> you
> > arrive.. No real Ranger would leave in lockstep, a situation ripe with
> > discord and strife. *If you do leave..
> >
> > LEAVE THE OUTPOST ALIVE AND IN GOOD HANDS! *Bless those that follow
and
> > lift them up! We win wars by our GOOD ACTION, not by the tactics of
> > devistation..
> >
> > Prayer changes things.. and again! *WE MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS!
> >
> > (Wisdom often is the result of waiting too see the true situation
> > displayed and acting from reason and a good spirit..)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As you serve side by side with someone - much as you do in our
> > > governments military service - a strong bond is built up, a bond that
> God's
> > > own enemy cannot sever. These men have a heart and desire to serve
the
> Lord
> > > and fullfill our mission to Reach, Teach, and Keep Boy's for Jesus
> Christ -
> > > and our avenue to do this has been blown up, not our desire, nor our
> bond,
> > > but just the church home we serve in. I honestly believe that the
> church does
> > > not know the impact this has on the youth in our community and quite
> possably
> > > its own membership. Many of you in Ohio know of our outpost and the
> caliber
> > > of men whom I have had the honor to serve with, many of your boys
have
>
> > > visited our camp at this years Pow Wow (we had the rope bridge as an
> > > entranceway) and we have visited with you. Some untrue things have
are
> being
> > > said about the leaders within our outpost so please, whatever you
here,
> pray
> > > for discernment before forming an opinion. Keep us in prayer as we
try
> to
> > > find another avenue to serve. Keep me in prayer as I establish
> communication
> > > with the boys of my outpost to try and let them know I will not be
> there when
> > > our outpost resumes its meetings next month
> >
> >
> > *Honorable men will allways do right.. ALLWAYS!
> >
> > Honorable men can stand inthe light of day and speek the truth!
> >
> > *but PRIDE.. comes before a fall!
> >
> > Be very sure that the straw pole that was taken exibited Honor and not
> > false pride.. The boys are at stake.. and frankly, Commanders are dime
a
> > dozen! Some "Men" we admire have made wrong choices in prefering
> > "Ministry" to "Family" and over the long haul will pay a dear price..
> >
> > Your situation may be truely unique... *and of course I may be all
wet<G>
> > Hehehee ...run it by Sonny Green for his .02cents!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > (my heart breaks even now again
> > > as I compose this message- please believe me that resigning was not
an
> easy
> > > decision to make for myself and my brothers in the Lord - tears were
> and
> > > still are being shed.
> >
> > *consider returning! What would it take?
> >
> > ..seperate fact from fiction, and do the work God calls you to do with
> joy
> > and lightness.<G>
> >
> >
> > I pray that some men from within the church step
> > > forward to continue on or refer the boys to where we will be serving
> and not
> > > allow ego's and church politics get in the way of seeing these boys
> saved and
> > > fed the word. Our desire would be no boy lost and I personnally would
> like to
> > > field your opinions on how and what to communicate to the Boys
without
> > > slingin mud.
> > > _______
> >
> >
> > The boys want a good campout<G>
> >
> > Do that!
> >
> >
> > Brother.. this putting down the flesh is hard!
> > But for our spiritman to soar.. we have to let go!
> >
> > -=A=-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > -=*Jes'Shake off the dirt and take a step up! ...The MULE *=-
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