Stuart Precious wrote:
<Snip!>
> It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether the person above you in either
> ministry, home life, work or national matters is walking in obedience,
> Father God is only interested in the fact that you are walking in
> obedience.
>
> Romans 13:1 says Let every person be in subjection to the governing
> authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which
> exist are established by God.
>
> N.A.S.B.
>
Bro. *I'd like you to re-visit yur thought..
It matters what the Great Leader, does-says-thinks and acts..
*Now I'm a Kook<G>
So run this thru yur thinking..
"Compeling someone" or "Commanding" someone thru a manipulation
of *honor- (Like calling them to a meeting and demanding submission
before the brotherhood..)
..or useing "words" aginst a person to "be-guile" them
is in fact very close to wichcraft!
*NOW! this is not a common thought, but does cross my mind <G> when
"called on the carpet" and I hear the phrase: "That don't matter-
answer this " At times like that... I go back to remember a High
Sierra camp with a storm rise'n on the wind.. and wonder who put
the bop in the bop-shoo-wop<G>
Leaders who demand such "submission" see the heals rise of my
surf sandals as I walk out the door.
I answered the *stressed children's Pastor, who demanded submission
of the Ranger CODE and the LTC to his agenda with this:
Yes! If GOD be served...
========================
I figured he was several clicks below sainthood *(as we all are)
and Commanders like me are a dime a dozen... He can find another to wax
his board.
*Joan of Arc had a simular run-in with big-shot wingnuts!
-=A=-
> To our brothers who are in distress at this church, We in England will pray
> that the Lord of all glory will be glorified and that a solution will be
> found and that the enemy will be crushed.
>
> Finally to answer the point that there is a danger of elevating the pastor
> to a lofty height as do some nominal denominations.
>
> I totally agree. My pastor and his wife are my wife and I's closest
> friends.
>
> But I recognise through events in my life that God has called me to the
> church where I am to be shepparded (yes that word) by this man. Both
> Heather and I call Paul & Barbara mom & dad. Paul has a vision for Royal
> Rangers in our church and Barbara is one of my commanders.
>
> Now I know that the pastor is to be a father of the house but this guy and
> his wife have done so much to help my wife and I and our relationship has
> grown so strong that we do call them mum and dad. they have full permission
> given by us to speak into our lives. to keep us from falling.
>
> By the same token a friend of mine (who is now our Outpost Chaplain) has
> made covenant with me and pastor Paul in the same way that Aaron & Hur made
> covenant with Moses, Exodus 17 :10 - 13.
>
> We will watch his back day and night & make sure his hands are steady.
>
> Paul recognises that both Duncan and I, like others in the church have a
> prophetic gift, & are gifted in words of wisdom & knowledge. and he has
> given permission to all of us with these gifts to speak into his life and
> the life of the church.
>
> Paul has a friend form Portland Oregon who for many years was his pastor.
> Paul still considers Rick his pastor. At one meeting during the
> rededication of our building, at the end of a construction project, Rick
> took Duncan & I and placed our hands on Pauls back. He said to Paul "listen
> to these guys buddy. God has made them your council" he turned to us and
> said " God has solemly charged you guys with looking our for Paul to stand
> in the gap with him at all times. Don't let anything happen to him"
>
> That is how we operate God's divine rule and authority. I know it is a
> toughy for some christians to swallow, because it means putting to death
> the flesh daily, killing our pride, becoming each day more humble. (I have
> been passed over for ministry many times before. It's been hard but God
> always had something better lined up for me.) But, it is not some
> regimental military code. It is God's plan for how all members of the body
> live and function together in unity.
>
> Yours in the love of Jesus
> Determined to win Children & Parents for Christ.
>
> Stu Precious
> Senior Commander & Childrens Ministries Co-ordinator
> Outpost England 51, Pendle Community Church, Nelson, Lancashire.
>
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Stuart Precious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Rangernet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Duane Wheeler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [RR] 79 Resigned
> > Date: 06 October 1999 12:46:pm
> >
> > Well said brother, excellent post.
> >
> > God's divine rule and authority in the church runs like this.
> >
> > Father
> >
> > Son
> >
> > Holy Spirit
> >
> > Pastor
> >
> > Ministry Leadership
> >
> > I do not know if any of you have ever heard of Rick Godwin. I suggest you
> > get the video of his sermon 'Catching the Spirit of the Leader'
> >
> > He starts by saying that there are only 2 proffessions in this world that
> > start from the top down..... Well Digging & Grave Digging.
> >
> > To those who resigned.... I cannot judge, only God can do that.
> >
> > But I will say that in our outpost we follow God's divine rule and
> > authority.
> >
> > We get revelation from the top down. to operate our own agenda from the
> > bottom up
> > is revolution.
> >
> > If your pastor has a Royal Ranger Outpost figuring in his vision for the
> > local corporate body of the church then as commanders and outpost
> > councilmen it is your duty to catch hold of that vision and run with it.
> > after all it is that pastor, the set man who is providing the covering
> for
> > your ministry.
> >
> > to anyone out there reading this please appologise for my tone. I feel
> very
> > passionate about obedience in this and other associated matters. I do not
> > intend any offence.
> >
> > We are blessed at Nelson, Outpost England 51, because our pastor is 110%
> > for us.
> >
> > Our prayers are that you and especcialy the children you reach are
> blessed
> > but that most of all Father God is glorified in it.
> >
> > Yours in Jesus
> >
> > Stu Precious
> >
> > Senior Commander
> > Outpost England 51
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Duane Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [RR] 79 Resigned
> > > Date: 24 August 1999 06:49:pm
> > >
> > >
> > > *Day two thoughts..
> > >
> > > > Brothers - I have been lurking in Rangernet for a couple of years now
> > and
> > > > have been blessed by the ideas, prayers and support shared in this
> > network.
> > >
> > > Rangernet's core group prays for blessings to flow on all Rangers, and
> > > invites those "outside the light of the fire" to share at any time...
> > >
> > > It's my opinion that we all share the warmth of one campfire.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > It has been a sad couple of weeks this month as the unimaginable has
> > > > happened. I felt led to come out of lurking and ask for prayer for
> the
> > > > (ex)commanders and boys of what was one of the strongest outposts in
> > Ohio
> > > > District, Outpost 79.
> > >
> > > Ohio had a very strong show at the National Camp.. In some ways, as in
> > > developing your Ranger campgrounds, you expand the the blessing of Cdr.
> > > Johnnies wonderfull dream of an army of boys serveing Jesus!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As I sat in Commander John's living room surrounded by
> > > > commanders with almost 150yrs of collective service in the Royal
> > Rangers and
> > > > one bye one when called upon the almost unanimous vote (myself
> included
> > ) was
> > > > neigh. The question was -- Will you remain on as a commander in our
> > outpost?
> > > > Why? You ask, well because I am not a member of the church where our
> > outpost
> > > > meets therefore I cannot comment publicly on what led these men to
> > resign
> > > > from Rangers and most of them from the church also, but as someone
> > outside of
> > > > this particular church I have seen enough to know that I clearly
> > support
> > > > them.
> > >
> > >
> > > *OK.. this woke me up...
> > >
> > > Here's why.
> > >
> > > We often use "OUR" vision or sight to decide or judge the situation
> based
> > > on "OUR" ethic or strongly held belief. When we ally or join a small
> > > group,such as Ranger Commander do..
> > >
> > > We sometimes "prefere" the success or back our efforts for the
> > > continuation of the "small group" or personal ministry
> > > of friends and self. *That in it's self may not lead to distruction..
> > >
> > > But it makes it harder for a shepard to lead his flock, or for the Holy
> > > Spirit to guide us in our walk to the greater goal... It also builds
> > > "exclusiveness" and a shell from outsiders and their ministry and
> > > *vision..
> > >
> > > Voteing to disband and leave a church.. is contrary to our Ranger
> Pledge
> > > to: *With God's help do my best to SERVE GOD- MY CHURCH- and Fellow
> man..
> > >
> > > If you as a Ranger would preach leaveing a campsight cleaner than when
> > you
> > > arrive.. No real Ranger would leave in lockstep, a situation ripe with
> > > discord and strife. *If you do leave..
> > >
> > > LEAVE THE OUTPOST ALIVE AND IN GOOD HANDS! *Bless those that follow
> and
> > > lift them up! We win wars by our GOOD ACTION, not by the tactics of
> > > devistation..
> > >
> > > Prayer changes things.. and again! *WE MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE FACTS!
> > >
> > > (Wisdom often is the result of waiting too see the true situation
> > > displayed and acting from reason and a good spirit..)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As you serve side by side with someone - much as you do in our
> > > > governments military service - a strong bond is built up, a bond that
> > God's
> > > > own enemy cannot sever. These men have a heart and desire to serve
> the
> > Lord
> > > > and fullfill our mission to Reach, Teach, and Keep Boy's for Jesus
> > Christ -
> > > > and our avenue to do this has been blown up, not our desire, nor our
> > bond,
> > > > but just the church home we serve in. I honestly believe that the
> > church does
> > > > not know the impact this has on the youth in our community and quite
> > possably
> > > > its own membership. Many of you in Ohio know of our outpost and the
> > caliber
> > > > of men whom I have had the honor to serve with, many of your boys
> have
> >
> > > > visited our camp at this years Pow Wow (we had the rope bridge as an
> > > > entranceway) and we have visited with you. Some untrue things have
> are
> > being
> > > > said about the leaders within our outpost so please, whatever you
> here,
> > pray
> > > > for discernment before forming an opinion. Keep us in prayer as we
> try
> > to
> > > > find another avenue to serve. Keep me in prayer as I establish
> > communication
> > > > with the boys of my outpost to try and let them know I will not be
> > there when
> > > > our outpost resumes its meetings next month
> > >
> > >
> > > *Honorable men will allways do right.. ALLWAYS!
> > >
> > > Honorable men can stand inthe light of day and speek the truth!
> > >
> > > *but PRIDE.. comes before a fall!
> > >
> > > Be very sure that the straw pole that was taken exibited Honor and not
> > > false pride.. The boys are at stake.. and frankly, Commanders are dime
> a
> > > dozen! Some "Men" we admire have made wrong choices in prefering
> > > "Ministry" to "Family" and over the long haul will pay a dear price..
> > >
> > > Your situation may be truely unique... *and of course I may be all
> wet<G>
> > > Hehehee ...run it by Sonny Green for his .02cents!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > (my heart breaks even now again
> > > > as I compose this message- please believe me that resigning was not
> an
> > easy
> > > > decision to make for myself and my brothers in the Lord - tears were
> > and
> > > > still are being shed.
> > >
> > > *consider returning! What would it take?
> > >
> > > ..seperate fact from fiction, and do the work God calls you to do with
> > joy
> > > and lightness.<G>
> > >
> > >
> > > I pray that some men from within the church step
> > > > forward to continue on or refer the boys to where we will be serving
> > and not
> > > > allow ego's and church politics get in the way of seeing these boys
> > saved and
> > > > fed the word. Our desire would be no boy lost and I personnally would
> > like to
> > > > field your opinions on how and what to communicate to the Boys
> without
> > > > slingin mud.
> > > > _______
> > >
> > >
> > > The boys want a good campout<G>
> > >
> > > Do that!
> > >
> > >
> > > Brother.. this putting down the flesh is hard!
> > > But for our spiritman to soar.. we have to let go!
> > >
> > > -=A=-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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