At 14:21 5/24/2000 -0700, Duane Wheeler wrote:
> > I seriously question both the wisdom of the law and its application in this
> > case. Sure, that is what the law said, but it is not fair. The legislators
> > and school board involved should be suspended, receive a failing grade for
> > the term on their permanent record, and sent back to high school.
>
>*Well state yur case then in court to a judge and have yur say..
No, this is not a matter for the courts. Judges only interpret and apply
the law. It is a matter for the lawmakers. I have my say at the ballot box
and in communication with them.
>The fact's are they got a "law" or "Policy" and the reasoning is that
>enough is enough! The business of education is paramount and the
>safety and welfare of the students is above the actions taken against
>this (I assume innocent ) Eagle Scout!
He who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
> > I remember in the "good old days" when I went to public school, and carried
> > my official boy scout pocket knife with no concern whatsoever that I might
> > be breaking a rule. Nobody stabbed anyone, but I did use my pocket knife in
> > electronics class to strip wires with.
>
>*Yup... me too *and..that's compelling in your remembrance.. However-
>Professional administrators of this school district instituted a
>Zero-Tolerence
>policy.. (sometimes they even make the students sign contract's ect.) and
>are serious!
The problem is, they aren't addressing the REAL problem at all! They are
trying to be VERY harsh on certain outward behaviors, but do NOTHING to
correct the spiritual problem that they are trying to deal with. How can a
secular institution like the schools really deal with a spiritual problem?
People need Jesus far more than they need a padded room with no weapons.
> > I remember last year, when a girl in my neighborhood got kicked out of
> > school because her lunch bag accidentally got switched with mother's, and
> > her mother had put a small paring knife into her lunch with which to cut
> > her fruit. The young lady involved saw the knife, knew it wasn't supposed
> > to be there, and gave it to her teacher. She was summarily suspended. Zero
> > tolerance leaves no room for common sense, discretion, or an evaluation of
> > any real or imagined threat to safety in a school.
>
>*Now yur talk'n... Zero is zero!
>
>*Justice is BLIND!
Yes, and blindness can sometimes be a BAD thing. In this case, the state
legislature modified the law due to the outrage at the PUNISHMENT of an
INNOCENT GIRL. Check your Bible -- punishing the innocent is wrong, and
grievous to God.
>Some of you "Social Conservitive-Christian Rightwingers" started
>complaining the Judges were getting too soft and going easy on
>Drug dealers and "criminals" when sentenceing them to prison...
>
>*So among others- Sen.Orrin Hatch of Utah legislated something
>called "mandatory sentencing" to tie the hands of Judges, when
>handed a conviction.
>
>A lot of BAD GUYS are in prison... *Cool!
Yes, but this brings up the potential for abuse. Assume for the moment that
some bad guy wants you out of the way. All he has to do is plant some
illegal drugs in your car or house, then anonymously tip off the police.
You are pulled over, the contraband found in your possession, and you are
GUILTY and jailed. You are guilty of violation of the drug possession law,
but you never did anything wrong. You were framed. This the kind of thing
ZERO TOLERANCE leads to. Or perhaps someone plants a (gasp!) pocket knife
in your son's backpack out of meanness. Where is due process? Where is the
U. S. Constitution's bill of rights?
>Is this EAGLE SCOUT INNOCENT?
>
>*No! GUILTY!
Guilty of technical violation of an unjust law, yes, but hardly a threat to
society.
>*Does this Eagle Scout deserve a hearing before a Judge to assess and
>moderate-dismiss or reduce the penalty for the violation of the rule?
>
>*YES! ...of course! *But so does every gang-banger diddy-bop
>hop head... who packs a ice-pick. *In the absence of the peace
>needed to conduct every case with "fairness" *Blind Justice takes
>it's place...
But what about mandatory sentences and zero tolerance?
>*All have sined and deserve to die!
Yes, but not at the hands of the state for possession of a pocket knife.
>Christ took our sin- and paid our penalty in full measure...
Amen! Sorry, but your plea has no value in a state court... even if it will
save your life in Heaven.
>*Arn't you glad we have savior like Jesus!
Yes!
> > There is a way to make our schools safer and to cut crime. Introduce the
> > students to Jesus Christ.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > An Eagle Scout in Savannah, GA was suspended today for being
> prepared. He
> > > > had an Axe, a shovel and a pocket knife in his car and he got
> suspended for
> > > > it. The school had a no weapons policy. and a zero tolerance
> policy. The
> > > > kid wasn't even aware that those were going to be construed as weapons.
> > > >
> > > > Iron Mike
Michael Paul Johnson
aka Soaring Golden Eagle
PO Box 1151, Longmont CO 80502-1151, USA
Rocky Mountain outpost 207, New Creation Church
Jesus Christ is Lord!
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