Soaring Golden Eagle wrote:
>
> At 09:56 AM 1/15/01 -0800, Duane Wheeler wrote:
> >...
> >*Here's my question's..
> >------------------------
> >
> >Is the gift of the Holy Spirit, intended to be universal
> >to all Christians? *Are we as RR's too "defend the doctrine?"
>
> Yes. Yes.
> Not everyone agrees with me. Read Mark 16:17, and carefully read the whole
> book of Acts. You will see that the example of getting saved and being
> filled with the Holy Spirit and receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit is
> all over.
In practical terms, we just *ALMOST never got around (RR OP207)to
"defending the doctrine" as we were feeding the children brought to the
church by parents for RRangers. Other issues outside of Bible Study
drew our attentions...
The vast scope of the *program had us only speak of AoG heritage and
doctrine
as a boy achieved that part of the *Christian Service merit or a
question on
the trail with the Gold Track.
>
> Read Ephesians 5:18-20. Note that we are commanded to be filled with the
> Holy Spirit (continuing tense). Some Pentecostals speak in tongues once and
> quit, thinking they are done. Not so. We should continually be operating in
> the gifts of the Holy Spirit as He desires to use us. Note also that the
> gifts of the Holy Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians 12 are not the only
> evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Agree...however!
*With reguard to RRangers, in the Alter workers class I was *Instructed
to
bring the boy to that point.. and act as a whitness to his "New toung".
In the NW this is a key job of FCF. *Alter worker...whitness... body
counter<G>
So are other things that
> come out of your mouth, like praise, psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs,
> and things in your heart, like joy and melody. Staying filled with the Holy
> Spirit will cause spiritual fruit to grow. See Galatians 5:22-23.
*Q!
We currently are attending a non-pentecostal community church, and see
these things
such as *Praise-song,Love and Joy at work. *I assume, the Holy Spirit is
at work,
even in churches that do not have open acceptence of a "Full Gospel"
message as is
defined by AoG doctrine?
Is my relationship with the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" compromised by my
NOT defending
the doctrine, with my attitude of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do?"
You see.. currently our participation in a sunday school class for
parents of teens,
is giveing us great insight into a quality family relationship. The
resulting social
friendships may be greater than what we had previously, yet when they
speak of the
Holy Spirit, it seems the same *comforter, ....but the evidence...
(*Un-known toung)
...ingrained in my heritage is not apparent.
How can this be?
>
> >Why do we embrace this modern "Azua Revival" as authentic
> >and fondational to our fellowship over... any other pentecostal
> >event in the past?
>
> Because it was a direct cause of the current Pentecostal movement. Note,
> however, that the Charismatic renewal and other similar notable outpourings
> of the Holy Spirit before and after that are from the same God and have
> similar stories of gloriously changed lives, healings, and miracles going
> along with them.
*Is this a case that others failed to embrace that Revival as
"authentic"
while perhaps retaining *another as foundational to their doctrine? I'm
a
bit confused why my AoG heritage would be so focused on one Revival
event?
What of the ensueing 1900 years previous to Azusa street? No Revival?
I'm aware of Holy Ghost revival in the "Aremenia" region of Russia in
the early
part of 20th century, and for other *spirtual movements in England and
elsewhere.
*Were the "Shakers" a pentecostal movement?
If God is the same, yesterday,today and forever, and we *respect John
Westly
or the American Billy Sunday as "Men of God" do we continue the
origional reasoning
for the foundation of our AoG fellowship to preserve an undiluted "Full
Gospel"?
*I'm saying... "From many faiths, the call of the Holy Spirit moved on
men to
form the Assemblies of God Church" How does that square with the
current movement
to cross denominational lines? Are we too defend the doctrine?
*I'm suspecting that a "Old Time AoG mainline" could find fault with
other denominations
and the current "community church movement/generic Jesus people *praise
movement"
(*I suspect that because, I've heard that preached<G>)
>
> >In sharing with others of like christian faith, is there
> >to be a separation, or preference for a Holy Ghost filled
> >Christian over the non- pentecostal believer?
>
> Division of the body of Christ isn't a good goal. There is one Messiah,
> Jesus, and He has one Body: everyone who is saved. While I truly appreciate
> fellowshipping with believers of like mind and being free to move with the
> Holy Spirit among them, I also have good friends who are brothers and
> sisters in Christ who haven't fully embraced this truth, yet. This doesn't
> mean I should condemn or shun them, but I may encourage them to seek more
> of the good fullness God has in store for them.
*As you desern, I have not fully embraced my "Heritage" without
question<G>
I'm personaly pleased by the truth that God has all this sorted out, and
that when we awake following the passage from this earthy shell, *all
knoledge
will be revieled<G>
This has 'concerned my Dad... who has bought the whole AoG "enchilada"
and
if there was *official GPH underwear, would have a lifetime supply<G> I
suspect
he has become a bit too "holyness/grumpy" in his old age<G>. He wasn't
so
eager to back me in my *secret meeting<G>
*He'd LOVE you MPJ!
(said in jest as I know my love for him is steadfast as is his for me)
>
> > Would the
> >non-pentecostal find reason to be offended, if I suggested
> >they had not fully accepted all that God had for them?
>
> Sometimes. Some people are easily offended by the truth. Others are just
> glad you care enough to share with them.
>
*I guess I'm more inclined to not offend... tho pushed..at some point, I
will defend<G
> >Does being "filled" with the Holy Ghost require "practice"
> >from time to time to stay in good "faith" with speaking
> >in an un-known toung? Does one make a "mental choice" to
> >yeild to the Holy Ghost.. that others do not make?
>
> Yes. See 1 Timothy 4:14. If Paul told Timothy not to neglect a gift in him,
> it seems to me that it is possible to do so, and that it is a bad choice to
> not use what God has given you to bless His people.
*Is then the "mental choice" an act of submission of the flesh to the
*spirit?
this must be a "mature" decision, right?
Is this why we don't see outbreaks of the Holy Ghost in Straight Arrows?
-=A=-
>
>
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