Javier I repeat: just watch Razzak do it. I\f you want some details about his approach, email me privately.
The real cost to your clients is YOUR time, not the softward upgrade - that is very small in the scheme of things. David Blocker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Valencia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: RB/XP Question > David and Brad: > There is no problem moving the clients to Windows, the problem is telling > them that they will have to move to 6.5++ first (cost 1) and then to 7.0 > (cost 2) which has the features that they really want, plus the upgrade > pains. I am convinced that the version to use is 7.0, provided (of course) > that is as solid/stable as its predecessors. I have not had a chance to use > it yet (2 weeks to training), but from reading the comments on the board, I > see so many things that I badly need NOW. > As you know, the software field is littered with companies that promised > software that never made it out of beta testing (vapor ware) and left a bad > taste in users mouths. I am not implying in any way that this is the case > with RBTI, in fact I believe that it Is quite the opposite; however, it > makes it difficult to convince users of this double update. > If you have been using WIN 6.5++ for a while, upgrading should not be a > problem as it would represent the next logical step; however, if you are > using DOS the double upgrade becomes an issue. I believe that it would help > greatly (at least in my case) if there would be a release date for 7.0. If > it is one year away, then I will shut up and use Win 6.5++, if it 1 or 2 > months I will wait, and if it is somewhere in between then I am in the > proverbial "rock and hard place" thing > > Javier Valencia, PE > President > Valencia Technology Group, L.L.C. > 14315 S. Twilight Ln., Suite #14 > Olathe, KS 66062-4571 > (913)829-0888 > (913)649-2904 FAX > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Davidson > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:37 AM > To: RBASE-L Mailing List > Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: RB/XP Question > > ....And, perhaps to state the obvious, migrating forms/reports from RBWIN > 6.5++ > to 7.0 can greatly reduce development time, versus re-doing DOS > forms/reports > from scratch for 7.0 implementation. > > Regards, > Brad > > "David M. Blocker" wrote: > > > Javier > > > > 1. Bring Razzak in > > 2. Convert them to Windows 6.5++ but in the background work with the 7.0 > > release and create the 7.0 versions so when it does come out you're ready! > > > > David Blocker > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Valencia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:31 PM > > Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: RB/XP Question > > > > > There has got to be a better strategy to buy/sell R:Base; why would you > > but > > > a product that is essentially discontinued and the new one is already > > > announced but not released/available? I know many software companies in > > this > > > situation will provide a free upgrade to the new version if you buy a > > > product that is being replaced, the rationale being that you will wait > to > > > buy the new release anyway, and they are better off getting you money > now. > > I > > > imagine that many R:Base users (particularly those still running the > DOS > > > version) would be more open to upgrade if they know that they will get > the > > > upgrade at no cost, i.e. they will not have to pay for the product > twice. > > > As a developer I am caught in this dilemma as I am in the process of > > adding > > > a new module to a large application that I just finished converting from > > > DOS. I have tried to delay development so I can use 7.0 but ...bills > have > > to > > > be paid so, I have to complete development in 6.5++ , knowing that I > will > > > have to go through a set of modification to take advantage of the new > 7.0 > > > features ...what to do ...what to do ... > > > > > > Javier Valencia, PE > > > President > > > Valencia Technology Group, L.L.C. > > > 14315 S. Twilight Ln., Suite #14 > > > Olathe, KS 66062-4571 > > > (913)829-0888 > > > (913)649-2904 FAX > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim > Schmitt > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:27 PM > > > To: RBASE-L Mailing List > > > Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: RB/XP Question > > > > > > David: > > > > > > I know that it makes sense to got to Windows, but when the client > dosen't > > > want to spend any money, and RB 7.0 is not quite ready for prime time, > > > what can you do. I don't want to convice the client to go to 6.5++ > > > Windows when 7.0 may be 'around the corner'. > > > > > > When 7.0 is released for production, I'll try to press the client to > > > proceed with windows. > > > > > > I still can't believe that I asked a question at 8:55 PM on a Sunday > > night, > > > and had a reply from Mike Willochell at 9:45 PM, and it solved one of my > > > problems. They certainly are to be commended for their support to > > > developers and end-users. What other database firm would be responding > > on > > > a Sunday Night. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > At 08:41 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >Well I'll be - I actually tried this and it works on my XP too!!! > > > > > > > >Holding back the bill gates demon for one more day.... > > > > > > > >But it STILL makes WAY more sense to upgrade to Windows!!! > > > > > > > >David Blocker > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Jim Limburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:16 AM > > > >Subject: [RBASE-L] - Re: RB/XP Question > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jim > > > >> > > > >> Here is what I do, If memory serves me Sami helped me alot on this > one. > > > >> > > > >> 1. On the Desktop shortcut, right-click and then left-click on the > > > >> properties menu. > > > >> 2. Click on the Misc tab and remover the check for Allow Screen Saver > > > >> 3. Click on the Screen tab and choose Window to start up RBase at > first > > > >> 4. Click Apply - and OK to save settings, now Double-click shortcut > to > > > >> start RBase in a Window. > > > >> 5. Once Rbase is up, left or right click on the C:\ Icon in the top > > left > > > >corner > > > >> 6. Go to the Options tab and in the Display Options frame click the > > Full > > > >Screen > > > >> option > > > >> 7. You will get prompted by an Apply Properties dialog. Click the > Save > > > >> properties for future windows with same title option and then OK. > > > >> 8. This will bring you to a full screen. Immediatly exit RBase and > then > > > >> right-click on the desktop Icon and choose properties. > > > >> 9. Go to the Screen tab and then click Full-Screen under the Usage > > frame, > > > >and > > > >> OK. > > > >> > > > >> This should have it. -- Give it a try > > > >> > > > >> Jim Limburg > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Jim Schmitt wrote: > > > >> > Mike: > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for the quick reply. Unbelievable that I could get a > response > > > at > > > >> > this time of night from RBTI. You guys are great. > > > >> > > > > >> > I didn't know about the alt/enter key to toggle between small/full > > > >screen > > > >> > size. > > > >> > > > > >> > I changed the width, and height setting to 80/25 as you > recommended, > > > but > > > >it > > > >> > didn't change anything. Maybe its because I have such a small > > screen > > > >at > > > >> > home (14 in) for my test purposes. > > > >> > > > > >> > I'll play tomorrow. Possibly I could get a playback file to do > > > >'alt/enter' > > > >> > at the startup of the app file. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks again. > > > >> > > > > >> > Jim > > > >> > > > > >> > At 09:42 PM 1/5/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >>At 08:52 PM 1/5/2003 -0500, Jim Schmitt wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >>>Clicked on the RB icon, and the screen opens a window less than > 1/2 > > > the > > > >> >>>size of the screen, and in the middle of the screen. If if click > > the > > > >> >>>Maximize Icon( right corner) system moves the 1/2 size window to > the > > > >top of > > > >> >>>the screen, press a second time, moves the 1/2 size screen down > 1/2 > > > >inch. > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>If I change the Icon, Screen Tab Window option to Full Screen, > RBase > > > >runs > > > >> >>>in the top of half of the screen, and the bottom 1/2 of the screen > > is > > > >black. > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>>What am I missing ?? > > > >> >> > > > >> >>Dear Jim; > > > >> >> > > > >> >>In Windows 2000/NT/XP, you will use the [ALT]+[ENTER] keys to > toggle > > > >between > > > >> >>full screen and window mode. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>To make the full screen mode utilize all of the available screen, > you > > > >will > > > >> >>need to > > > >> >>experiment with the following settings: > > > >> >> > > > >> >>1) Start RBDOS in the window mode > > > >> >>2) Click on the C:\ icon in the upper left hand corner of the > caption > > > >bar > > > >> >>3) Click on the Defaults option and then the Layout tab > > > >> >> > > > >> >>In the Layout panel, you will see options for Screen Buffer Size > and > > > >Window > > > >> >>Size. > > > >> >>On most of my systems, a Width setting of 80 and a Height setting > of > > 25 > > > >for > > > >> >>both > > > >> >>the Screen Buffer Size and Window Size makes them work properly. > > > >However, > > > >> > > > > >> > this > > > >> > > > > >> >>is dependent on your screen resolution and other video settings. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>You will also need to do the exact same for the Properties option > > when > > > >you > > > >> >>click > > > >> >>the C:\ icon. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>See if this helps. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>Good Luck! > > > >> >> > > > >> >>Mike Willochell > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > ======================================== > > > >> > Jim Schmitt > > > >> > Ohio Software Services > > > >> > 2211 Lake Club Drive > > > >> > Columbus, Oh 43232 > > > >> > Phone 1-614-863-1850 > > > >> > Fax 1-614-863-0325 > > > >> > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > ======================================== > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > ======================================== > > > Jim Schmitt > > > Ohio Software Services > > > 2211 Lake Club Drive > > > Columbus, Oh 43232 > > > Phone 1-614-863-1850 > > > Fax 1-614-863-0325 > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ======================================== > > > > > > > >
