FYI Folks:

No more custom frames from Glen for at least a year. I inquired recently 
and got the big negative. 


On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 2:56:47 PM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> Funny, my daily rider has been a 63 canti-Rom for years, and I'm looking 
> forward to trying out my XL stock NFE.
>
> Didn't mean to imply that tubing was identical between stock NFE and Rom. 
> Both are 8-5-8 OS though. The non-stock NFE's like yours might be different.
>
> My main motivation was more tire clearance and a chance to ride all these 
> 650B tires.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> pdx or
>
> Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.
> On Jun 3, 2015 7:36 AM, "lukeheller" <helle...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> I have had my NFE for 2 years and many happy miles. It replaced my 63cm 
>> Romulus as my primary brevet bike and everyday bike. Well, I still have the 
>> Romulus but somedays can't figure out why when I typically just ride the 
>> Elephant anyhow.
>>
>> My NFE is for 700c wheels and canti-brakes. I got it on the NFE before 
>> Glen started the stock run of the NFEs. I needed custom geometry anyhow; my 
>> NFE has a 71.5 STA. Makes my heart smile.
>>
>> I primarily run 700x35's + fenders and a front rando bag.
>> I took it on an 8 day tour down the pacific coast hwy. Handled well 
>> though not a sure footed when loaded as a dedicated stout touring rig.
>> And I run BG Rock ,n Roads on it every now and again.
>>
>> For a moment, I wished I had gotten it with discs so I could try out 650b 
>> wheels. That moment passed.
>>
>>
>> That's interesting that Joe B said the NFE and Romulus have the same 
>> tubing... those have been my 2 primary bikes for 4 years or so now. I'll 
>> say that I still much prefer the ride of my NFE but I don't know that it's 
>> due to tubing... I can't really say I notice any difference there. What I 
>> notice is...
>> The Romulus has toe overlap with fenders -    the NFE has 0 toe overlap 
>> with my size 13 hooves and fenders
>> The Romulus has more twitchy handling -       +1 for the NFE, stable 
>> handling, love it
>>
>> Glen really dialed in the geometry perfectly on my 700c NFE. No toe 
>> overlap. No pedal strike. STA is perfect, may ass sits right where it wants 
>> too (Rom is slightly too far forward). 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 12:10:32 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know what the XL standover is but the Elephant folks did offer 
>>> to work with me on a full custom NFE frame since the stock sizes in their 
>>> production run will not fit me.  I promised not to divulge any specifics so 
>>> I won't, but I would recommend calling or emailing them and talking to them 
>>> about it.
>>>
>>> I didn't end up getting the frame built, but it wasn't due to a lack of 
>>> want - the reasons were primarily financial on my side.  I ended up buying 
>>> that 68 Redwood that was on eBay a while ago - but the Redwood is 
>>> definitely more of a compromise for the intended task than the NFE would 
>>> have been.
>>>
>>> I would contact them and see if they will work with you, if you don't 
>>> think the stock XL would fit.  Nice folks.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Daniel Jackson <daniel.se...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anybody out there have an XL Elephant? If so, might you report the 
>>>> standover?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks much,
>>>> D.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There were a ton of the NFE on the Oregon Outback and I have to admit 
>>>>> I was envious. Many were setup just like I had my Atlantis - front 
>>>>> panniers, rando boxy bag, and a saddle bag. They can fit 2.35 knobbies, 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> 42 slicks with fenders. On the wet descents with the loaded bike, I 
>>>>> definitely wanted their disc brakes. I have Paul touring canti's with 
>>>>> kool 
>>>>> stop salmon and they were all but useless when we got up to 70km/h with 
>>>>> wet 
>>>>> rims. The finish on them is very good, and they're very light. I'm 
>>>>> actually 
>>>>> planning on buying one next season, but keeping the Atlantis for the real 
>>>>> heavy lifting. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my 
>>>>>> weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous 
>>>>>> rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's 
>>>>>> pretty 
>>>>>> hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a 
>>>>>> supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had 
>>>>>> special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as 
>>>>>> possible. 
>>>>>> All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer 
>>>>>> value 
>>>>>> for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hudson in atx. 
>>>>>
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