Everything is best served with another bike.  N+1.  Always N+1.  The 
correct question to ask yourself is NOT : "Do I need another bike?"  The 
correct question is : "What should my next bike be?"  :-)

If I had the choice of doing a brevet on a drop-bar Hunqapillar that I 
bought for myself and set up to my liking, or a hand-me-down Madone, I 
would almost certainly choose to do the brevet on the Hunqapillar.  

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:01:30 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Thanks very much for the thoughts, Bill! You described exactly the sort of 
> experience I was hoping to hear about. 
>
> I'm currently considering training for a couple brevets. I've never done 
> one, and it both seems like an interesting challenge and a good training 
> goal. At the moment the two most appropriate (or perhaps I should say least 
> inappropriate) bikes I own for such a thing are a drop bar'd Hunqapillar 
> and an old 2004 Madone race bike that was given to me and then ignored. I'm 
> concerned that the Hunq is overbuilt for randonneuring and that the Madone 
> would simply be unpleasant. But then, I'm also concerned I'm just looking 
> for an excuse to buy another bike!
>
> Do you feel randonneuring benefits hugely from a purpose-built bike, or 
> should I just go for it with what I have?
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Reed asked:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid 
>> frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of 
>> bike? What did you think of each?
>>
>> Yes I do.  I think both are fine.  Some people feel like it's a night and 
>> day kind of difference, and I don't feel that way.  My two low-trail bikes 
>> are both Rawlands.  I have their road model, the Nordavinden, and their 
>> 650b rando model, the Stag.  My Stag is still my primary brevet bike and 
>> it's terrific.  I did a lot of brevets on a 650B A Homer Hilsen before that 
>> and it was great, too, but I felt it was somewhat overbuilt for that 
>> brevet-only use.  Let me know if you want to check out my Nordavinden (it's 
>> a 58-59 Large).  I used that as a platform to just explore the concepts, 
>> and I feel like I've learned what I needed to learn.  Most recently I had 
>> braze-on centerpulls attached to see what the fuss was about.  I'm now 
>> moving my road bike exploration towards contemporary gravel bike concepts.  
>>
>> I'm a big fan of front loading in general.  I put stuff in saddle bags 
>> only as a last resort.  I think front loading works great for me on high 
>> trail and low trail.  In my experience a low trail bike unloaded is still 
>> fine.  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 3:24:31 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of 
>>> their bikes and numerous others built up in Riv-inspired ways. Recently 
>>> I've been reading through back issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts 
>>> on Jan Heine's blog. It's got me wondering about this whole 
>>> alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which seems to be 
>>> characterized by low trail steering geometry, flexible frames, and carrying 
>>> loads up front.
>>>
>>> I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common. 
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid 
>>> frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of 
>>> bike? What did you think of each?
>>>
>>>
>>> Reed
>>>
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