The MAP is 650Bx42, and a 59 or 60 cm frame depending on how you measure. The VO is 700x32C. What I think of it is, it's fantastic. I'm sure Mitch's 700C randonneurs are as well. I am happy to have both, and would replace either if something terrible happened to it.

On 06/14/2016 08:01 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com <mailto:palin...@his.com>> wrote:

    On 06/14/2016 06:23 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:

        I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning
        several of their bikes and numerous others built up in
        Riv-inspired ways. Recently I've been reading through back
        issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts on Jan Heine's
        blog. It's got me wondering about this whole
        alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which
        seems to be characterized by low trail steering geometry,
        flexible frames, and carrying loads up front.

        I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common.

        Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly
        rigid frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French
        rando / Jan sort of bike? What did you think of each?


    Yes indeed.  I sold a Rambouillet to get a Johnny Coast-built Velo
    Orange Randonneur, and I sold a Saluki to get one of Mitch Pryor's
    MAP Randonneurs.  In each case I went from OS Riv tubing and high
    trail geometry to standard diameter thinner gauge and low trail
    geometry.  I liked the Rivs, but I like the "BQ style" bikes a lot
    better.


Great feedback, thanks Steve!

Mind if I ask what you think of the MAP Randonneur, and which wheel size yours is in? I've actually found a used Map Randonneur in my size and for sale near me. I'm awfully tempted, but had been hoping for a 650 x 42 wheel and tire, and this one is set up for 700 x 32.



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