I agree. You wouldn't choose a carbon fiber racing bike as the base for
building a dirt road adventure bike.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Clayton.sf <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to clarify,
>
> The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example shows
> a Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed at touring
> bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple options for Rivbikes.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
>> > 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic
>> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely
>> be able to walk as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point.
>> Personally I like short cage derailers for dirt or none at all and don't go
>> beyond 36 in a cassette.
>>
>> In the carbon frame 11 speed era, increasingly 40T sprockets are the
>> only way to get gears in the low 20s.  Triples aren't an option because
>> 1) there aren't many, if any, made for the type of bottom brackets used
>> on carbon road bikes; 2) integrated brake/shift levers don't do triples
>> (either at all, in the case of the higher group levels, or very
>> successfully); 3) even if you could change crank sets you are still
>> stuck with a 50T large chain ring on most of these bikes because the
>> front derailleur is mounted on a "braze-on" bracket whose adjustment
>> slot is made such that you can't lower the front derailleur at all.
>> Along with that 50T big ring comes a 34T small ring.
>>
>> So where does this leave you?  34 x 32 is now the "standard" low gear,
>> and the lowest "road" groups offer.  With the 23mm tires these bikes
>> have, that's a 28" gear.  If you need lower than that, you've got to go
>> to larger sprockets, and the next larger sizes are 36 and 40 which give
>> you 25" and 22", respectively, and you've got to use one of the two
>> Wolftooth devices: Roadlink (which will let that 32T capable road rear
>> derailleur accommodate a 36T sprocket) or Tanpan, which will let you use
>> a Dynasys rear derailleur, which can handle 40T.
>>
>> None of this is ideal, in that along with those 36 or 40T large
>> sprockets you get an 11T 1st position, and 50x11 gives you a 120" top
>> gear - and what anybody who needs a 25 or 22 inch low is going to do
>> with a 120" big gear I cannot imagine.  The next gear down with these
>> cassettes is a 50x13 which isn't so bad - 101" - so I imagine basically
>> you treat the 1st position sprocket as a spacer and forget you have 11
>> back there.
>>
>> But basically, with those bikes that is all you can do.
>>
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