I don't see it as any battle against industry "progress", but rather the 
preservation of options. Objectively it can be argued that something is 
better for whatever scalar  you choose, that does not make me like it. 
Preference is very important when you have persisted in an equipment 
dependent activity such cycling. 

I prefer a manual transmission and when my car requires replacement, I'm 
going to be in a very dark place for a very long time since that option is 
becoming rare as hens' teeth. I realize how much faster modern cars are 
with more gears in their auto boxes than a single stick could shift, I get 
all the "improvements" and "benefits" but I'm talking about subjective 
experiences here (and don't get me started about electric assist power 
steering). Web pages are filled with the ranting inexperienced, reciting 
numbers and data points substantiating their objective position on the 
issue. I rebuilt several of my early cars' gearboxes, hydraulic clutch 
systems and replaced clutch discs while opportune. I know how they work, I 
appreciate that and operating them. The same goes for my bike gear. I have 
preferences that are independent of "advances" that would make me (fill in 
a performance scalar used by ad copy for latest cycling gear here).

I ride with a bunch of 20-30 year olds from spring through fall and often I 
am the only ferrous framed rider present and the only rider with fenders. I 
don't even talk to them about having eight cogs that I operate with a 
friction bar end shifter. It is notable that I make more time on them in 
our urban rides when stop lights turn green. The combination of the 
apparent mysterious cycle leading to that surprise green light and the 
exhibited under-rehearsed clipping-in of their down foot when the color 
change occurs gives me almost a half block lead without mechanical 
advantages. I have too many years of commuting to draw the ire of 
surrounding motorists for slow uptake of the "GO" signal or mechanical 
fumbling slowing my departure from the intersection. 

I recently switched out the original Shimano side pull (double pivot) 
calipers with a pair of Paul's Racer center mount center pulls to grow some 
tire and fender space on my Rambouillet and I love them. My commuter has 
BB-7s and for its uses, I'm fine with them too. Subjectively I am having 
more fun on my Ram because I am not going to or coming home from work. Both 
kinds of brakes have a clear purpose to go on existing, and should. 

Rivendell is a very good example of how to promote a set of options not in 
resistance to any particular technology coming form the industry but rather 
finding peace with a segment and promoting the ease of achieving cycling 
happiness they find in their segment of the full bandwidth. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh,


On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:41:00 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I used only canti brakes a quite a while. Then I went ro discs. When I 
> discovered v-brakes, I wondered why I had bothered with discs. For true 
> MTBs, I think discs are an advantage in mud, and I prefer XT-level 
> hydraulics, which have been faultless, for me. Most mechanicals are fiddly, 
> though the best I've found are TRP Spyres, which are less so. Back to 
> v-brakes: TRP CX9s are the strongest brakes I have used--bar none, 
> including discs. They don't allow much more than a 35mm tire with fenders, 
> but they are strong enough to pitch anyone over the bars. On my Appaloosa 
> I'm running Avid Single-Digit 7s, ands they are more than strong enough for 
> me--as good or better than any mechanical disc I've used.
>
> Having said that, there's this: Riv can't win the battle against industry 
> "progress" on this issue, unfortunately, because the perception will be 
> that the bikes are pre-obsolete and the fear will be that replacement parts 
> will be unavailable. Both will hit sales harder and harder as time marches 
> forward. I ride with 30-year-olds who have never owned a bike without 
> discs. As these people age and acquire the earning power to embrace a wider 
> set of values in their bicycles, they will likely reject the bikes on the 
> brake issue. I love everything about the company, including their 
> collective stubbornness, but I would also like to see the business survive 
> and thrive.
>
> Jay
>
>

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