Steve correctly pointed out a qualifier

"Of course, there could also be an issue with the stoutness of tubing 
required for a loaded touring bike vs an unloaded roadie, so tell us 
about the frame tubing of the touring bike as well.  And by all means, 
describe. "

My comment was deliberate.  That's precisely why I limited my offered 
comments to 'geometry and fit'.  I intended to withhold comment about the 
more qualitative aspects that are informed as much by the rider and the 
rider's preferences.  You are absolutely right that a perfectly fitting 
bike made from gossamer mithril is a different machine than a bike with the 
identical geometry made of thickwall OS.  

BL in EC

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