Well yeah.  Small bike, medium to high trail, 700c wheel, probably
some tco.  Play with the trail - Rivs don't do low - and you may be
able to avoid.  Or as the form says, opt for smaller wheels.  Not
always an option with stock bikes.

On Feb 4, 8:50 pm, Richard <rsv...@netzero.net> wrote:
> The order form for a custom Rivendell explains TCO, and asks if TCO is
> or is not acceptable.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/177/original_custom_frame_form...
>
> On Feb 3, 12:51 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > On a single I'm willing to put up with some TCO, though I'm very glad
> > > that Mike Barry designed my Mariposa without it.
>
> > You cannot compare a custom with a stock design.  Unless the owner
> > demands some wacky wheel size/geometry, a custom builder should have a
> > lot more flexibility than a basic design carried through on several
> > sizes.
>
> > On Feb 3, 11:48 am, Kenneth Stagg <kenneth.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, james black <chocot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ................... I
> > > > am mildly annoyed and feel vaguely insulted by the point of view I
> > > > sometimes encounter that TCO is an imaginary problem, or that I'm some
> > > > kind of dimwit because it bothers me. There are other cyclists
> > > > (customers) like me - bike designers should be attentive to this fact.
>
> > > I agree.  That's the part of this whole debate that bothers me.  It's
> > > not that those of us who care about it can't appreciate that some
> > > people don't, it's that some people try to tell us it's an imaginary
> > > problem and that we should just get over it.
>
> > > On a single I'm willing to put up with some TCO, though I'm very glad
> > > that Mike Barry designed my Mariposa without it.  On a tandem I would
> > > not consider putting up with it - it's too dangerous when the person
> > > controlling the bike doesn't have complete control of the pedals.
>
> > > -Ken- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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