I'm not sure I would characterize the Roadini as fulfilling the role of a "stripped down racing bike" at least not in the modern sense (where that term is redundant). With room for 35mm tires and with fender braze-ons, it's more like a regular sport touring bike from the 1960s, 1970s. And that pound less in the frame & fork is not so much about the pound, but a lighter, maybe livelier, more responsive bike frame. Being "way more comfortable" on 38mm tires vs. 35mm tires is subjective, and also depends on road surfaces and rider build and style. Since you already have a rough and ready Joe, my vote would be for a Roadini, described by Riv as *"an all-aroUnd, all-weatHer road Bike. it gives up nothing to modern extreme bikes on smooth, ideal roads, and is far better in every way when conditions are crappy. it has the classical clearances of the oldies, higher quality overall construction, is more comfortable, and rides like a Rivendell." *
For most U.S. paved roads a bicycle with 28-35mm tires will be just dandy. And it may give you a little more road feel feedback, which can also translate to the *feeling* of speed for some. And who cares how fast you are actually going? That's one reason I love to ride at night--you instantly go 5mph faster. Anyway, I think with a Joe and a Roadini, you've got your bases covered nicely. My 1974 Ron Kitching can take 35mm tires and has fender braze-ons, and I could do D2R2 with that bike no problemo. But, although one bike is never faster than another, it does have a snappier response when I jump the pedals hard than my bikes with bigger rubber and stouter tubesets. Is it measurably faster? Who cares?! Riding bikes that are different enough is what lets you know you are riding bikes that are different. Fun! On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 11:37:53 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down > racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your > application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like > that. > > Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had > a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit over > to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub > and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 > pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne > you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or > faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would > take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo > lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. > > It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might > end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an > Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its > money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are > sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing > more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that > excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise > with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as > a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, > or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 4:09:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: >> >> I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that >> someone has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the >> differences they detected. I know from design that the Roadini should be >> faster than the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe. I know from a touring >> and rough stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the >> Roadini. >> >> That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three >> and what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities. >> >> My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking! Still, I >> would be curious... I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for >> rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does >> sound like a great thing. I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just >> too much overlap with the Joe I already have. >> >> Anyway, figured I would ask... Thanks in advance for any help or >> descriptions. >> >> Bob L. >> Galesburg, IL >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
