Yes... I think Atlantis is the bike that rules them all. I love mine. It does everything well.
It has beautiful lugwork and the s-bend chainstays are pure framebuilder art. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Not quite the comparison you requested, but I have a 55cm Joe appaloosa > built up with dropbars, a 60cm saluki (which seems functionally similar to > the hillborne) and a 61cm Romulus (which seems functionally similar to the > roadini). Their respective weights are 37lbs, 32 lbs and 24lbs the way I > have them built up. When clad with snoqualmie extralights the joe is > possibly just slightly slower than the saluki. With marathon supremes my > commute which takes 36min on the saluki, ends up taking 40min on the joe (a > hilly 7.5 miles). Of the two, I prefer the handling of the saluki, but > prefer the v-brake stopping power on the joe and its capacity for load > carrying. If push came to shove, I'd sell the saluki first. If I had > planned on using sweptback bars, I think the 55cm joe would have been a bit > too small, but as a dropbar it fits me nicely. I based my choice on stack > and reach numbers and haven't regretted that choice. > > The romulus with 30mm grandbois extralight tires seems to be very similar > in speed to the saluki but climbs with less effort and is slightly less > comfortable over rough road surfaces. Still pretty comfortable though. > And of the two, I prefer the saluki's handling -- it feels quite responsive > to steering input but holds a line easily. > > If I already had a Joe and I was deciding between a roadini and a canti > (or vbrake in my case) hillborne, I'd pick the hillborne and then build it > up more or less racey as I felt like. > > I do wonder if the Atlantis isn't the perfect one bike to rule them all > though -- handling similar to the saluki and tire, brake and load-carrying > capacity similar to the appaloosa. Maybe someday, but I think my next bike > purchase will be a small appa for my wif, who thinks mine is just about as > nice as a bike can get. > > Sky in new west > > On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 12:01:50 UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: >> >> Thanks Bill! You do remind me of a friend, a co-worker, in Denver. I >> would have spent far too long overanalyzing something, usually which bike >> to keep, sell, modify, build a different way, etc. I would tell him of my >> dilemma, whatever it was, expecting at least a delay in his response while >> he thought through all that I told him. Anyway, without any discernible >> hesitation, he would say, just do this, this and this and, well, problem >> solved! And I would stand there, lost for words, as he always seemed to >> cut to the essence of the problem and present, almost always, the right >> answer. You guys kill me! And make me laugh at myself as well... >> >> You are exactly right! The only danger would be my own habit of >> overbuilding and making a bike heavier than it needs to be. I do know the >> Sam would fit me, no doubt about that. I am going on more group rides (the >> "Cyclists of Galesburg"!) and though we do not go that fast, a little >> additional efficiency or speed would be welcome. I could overbuild the Joe >> for touring and rough-stuff and just try and have some discipline with the >> other bike, whatever it might be. >> >> I will consider your words! As they are wise... :>) >> >> Hope all is well there! Following your adventures and bike builds is a >> true gift here, so please keep all that up! Thanks for your help. >> >> From the "true winter will be here soon" Midwest, >> >> Bob L. >> Galesburg, IL >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>> My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped >>> down racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If >>> your application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more >>> like that. >>> >>> Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and >>> had a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit >>> over to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm >>> rear hub and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about >>> 23 pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne >>> you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or >>> faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would >>> take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo >>> lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. >>> >>> It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you >>> might end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an >>> Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its >>> money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are >>> sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing >>> more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that >>> excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise >>> with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as >>> a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, >>> or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. 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