I agree with your attitude and your comments. Me, I've been a fan of Grant since 1994, and he (it has been a while) graciously accepted my custom build idiosyncrasies and built the best road bikes I've ever ridden; these are my handling and fitting benchmarks.
But it is silly to expect that no one, in any case, will disagree, or that no one will express his or her disagreement on this list. The attitude that only agreement is appropriate on this list, to my mind, disconcertingly approaches cult behavior, and I expect it embarrasses Grant to no end. Rivendell has move away from my own particular, idiosyncratic collection of likes and wants, but so what? Riv still sells a great deal that I'd buy if I had more $$, and that I could not find elsewhere; and for which I am very grateful. In fact, my bucket list includes one day before I die trying out one of Riv's "cruisers" and, who knows, buying one. Patrick O'Grady, unreformed roadie as he used to be, liked his! As for tigg'd versus fillets versus lugs, I don't really care, as long as a frame gets as close as possible to that Riv-like ride quality. On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 1:24 PM, masmojo <[email protected]> wrote: > You know seriously not trying to bum Grant out; I've been a fan of his > since before I bought my XO-1. I can appreciate more then most his > inventiveness; you don't have to poke around the interwebs too long these > days without running into somebody mentioning his name. > I certainly don't question the basic premise of longer chainstays and I > totally think there's a place for them. My main speed bump on the topic is > how long is too long & how long is just right!? > When I got my Clementine I stated the chainstay were too long; my opinion > at the time & I pretty much got loads of those "how dare you question > Grant" type comments, but hmmmmm, what would you have me say? I only try to > put myself in Grants position & that is if someone has an issue I'd like to > know, especially if it comes out of a customers actual real life experience > with a bike they purchased & not just looking at pictures or running the > numbers in their head. That's the main thing, right? > Scaling up the chain stays totally makes sense, my basic feeling is just > recent examples have gone too far. The stays on our small Clementine are > totally OK! My medium? At least 1/2" too long and a large I am guessing > more then that. It's not a matter of ditching the concept, mearly fine > tuning & refining. No shame in that; I'm not being negative; criticism that > is only intended to be constructive. > When I got my XO-1 I wrote to Grant, saying that I thought the stem was > too low & I would have preferred Cantilevered brakes. He suggested I should > have bought the next size larger frame (he was right), but the following > year the XO-1 came with a different stem & Cantilever brakes. If he hadn't > listened to the comments from me (& others I'm sure) would anything have > changed? The worst work review I ever got was one that was so flowery, I > Told my boss "the only way that could have been any better was if I'd > written it myself; but even I wouldn't have been so easy on me" > Onwards and upwards. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique ************************************************************************** ************** *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
