"Odd: Didn't Grant way back in the day vocally hold out for level-top tube, 
fistful of seapost design? I think I do recall that. Not that I care; my 2 
remaining rivs have a 3* or so slope."

Yes on a fistful of post so you could ride a level-ish toptube frame big enough 
to get the bars up, no on dead flat. Every Riv ever produced has at least a 
modicum of rise from seattube to headtube and I'm not surprised Grant wasn't 
going to be talked out of it. But I also doubt the story was as simple as that 
request...

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