The CHG change is especially frustrating to me, because the frame checked so many boxes for me with the canti brakes. But now it's a non-starter.
Eric On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:49 PM iamkeith <keithhar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:16:35 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Johnny, I believe that's how the long-reach-caliper Cheviot became the >> v-brake Platypus. V-brakes just work and I spec'd them on my light duty >> mostly-pavement custom as well. >> >> Joe Bernard >> >> > > But this doesn't explain how the Charlie Gallop went from cantis to > long-reach calipers before it even went into production. Especially when > you consider that the cable routing actually worked quite well with caliper > brakes on the Cheviott, but is kind of awkward for cantis on the Platypus. > (Or any mixte, really.) > > My own total guess is that part of the reason that Riv still builds bikes > around these brakes is out of a a sense of "obligation." As Eric noted, > both the Tektros and the Paul's came into existence explicitly at the > behest of Rivendell. So it is appropriate that they continue the market if > we/they want such options to continue to exist. > > I have the Tektros on a RB-1 650b conversion and must say I don't hate > them. But it's a fair-weather, occasional bike, so maybe I haven't tested > them like some have. If you really like everything else about the A Homer > Hilsen and can imagine it being a lifetime bike, I think a canti conversion > is a great way to go. Get it over and done and don't look back. (Do check > vertical clearance at the seatstay bridge while you're at it though. If > you don't also raise it and it subsequently becomes the thing that prevents > you from fitting fenders over your desired tire, you'll kick yourself.) > > It's interesting to remember that originally, when it was called the > Saluki, the AHH had the option of either brake type. It was then described > as a cross between a mountain bike and a road bike, so I guess that > accommodated everyone, depending on which direction they leaned. > > > On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 5:52:03 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >> >>> I didn't realize those brakes would not work. They were marked as long >>> reach. I can't remember what I used them on before but it must have been >>> something for mid-reach brakes. >>> >>> IMO I am just baffled they keep making bikes for those brakes when there >>> are no great options with great stopping power. Especially when there are >>> so many nice V, mini-V and canti brakes out there. >>> >>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:28:16 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, the AHH in question uses long reach calipers, not mid reach like >>>> the VO. >>>> >>>> My experience with long reach calipers has been universally bad >>>> (Tektro, DC centerpulls). They're adequate in the dry, but with wet rims, >>>> there is no stopping power at all. >>>> >>>> I like a lot about the AHH, but I wouldn't get it due to the brakes. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> Plain City, OH >>>> where I'm not really satisfied with the mid reach Tektros on my current >>>> Trek,either >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 8:21 PM <amill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The issue with the VO is they are only midreach (47-57). Many Riv >>>>> bikes require longer reach. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Aaron in El Paso >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2022, at 17:55, Forrest <therealfo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Johnny, I had those brakes on a bike once. Very good stopping power; >>>>> they seemed a little stouter than other sidepulls. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:43:41 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forgot the link. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brakes/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 7:43:25 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If I had a bike that needed long sidepulls these are the ones I >>>>>>> would have. I have used them before and I don't think there is a long >>>>>>> reach >>>>>>> that is as strong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 6:58:27 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 8:37:19 AM UTC-5 Pierre wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not super happy with the original Silver calipers raw stopping >>>>>>>>> power (admittedly quite spoiled by excellent hydro discs on other >>>>>>>>> bikes). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had mixed results with Silver/Tektro long-reach dual-pivot >>>>>>>> brakes. On my Bleriot, with some dual-compound pads, they were >>>>>>>> brilliant. >>>>>>>> On other bikes I had less brilliant experiences. I suspect it had >>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>> to do with the levers I was using, but I never did a full, controlled >>>>>>>> experiment. The levers on my Bleriot were older Aero Gran Compe. I >>>>>>>> also can >>>>>>>> suggest that low-compression cable housing made a difference for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That said, the Yokozuna hybrid disc brakes on my newest bike (which >>>>>>>> replaced the Bleriot) are a very different feel. I can't definitely say >>>>>>>> they have more ultimate power, but it takes a lot less hand power to >>>>>>>> get to >>>>>>>> max. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have the Dia Compe 610-N calipers (not on braze-ons) on a bike >>>>>>>> and they proved to be excellent stoppers when I was riding pretty fast >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> a car turned left in front of me. Had the back wheel well off the >>>>>>>> ground >>>>>>>> and stopped with about a foot to spare. Again, they need a bit more >>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>> power than the disc brakes to get to that point, but not a lot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My experience with cantilevers is considerably more mixed than with >>>>>>>> the long-reach dual-pivots. 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