Khalid:

I'm diving in here without reading any further posts, so forgive me if
others make similar points.

First, I'll bet there is absolutely ZERO difference in quality between
Toyo & Waterford frames.  It's Rivendell's lugs & spec on the tubing.
I'll speculate that Rivendell has sawed thru a lot of brazed joints to
see what potential vendors produce, and that only the best are
selected to produce frames.

Second, only Riv could say whether there was a "run" on frames or
not.  But people in general have a fear of change so some fence
sitters may have been motivated to buy, knowing Toyo's reputation.

On a more general note, Waterford has been building frames for a long
time and has an excellent reputation.  I can't believe anyone could
make them any better.

FWIW, mine is an '03.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Waterford, and am
willing to bet I couldn't tell the difference.  Well, they get a
kickstand plate now which I'd really like to have.

dougP

On Mar 20, 8:38 am, Khalid Mateen <krm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese
> atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones?  Just curious.
> When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo
> plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last
> batch of those frames.  It is the steel?  The craftmanship?
>
> Regards,
>
> K.

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