Detail differences assessed when I ode red mine last year are as follows: - Slight color difference. The Waterford is just slightly "livelier" with a spark that the Toyo lacks. The Toyo is a bit more matte; very subtle but noticeable only when doing a side by side comparison. Otherwise I'd say not detectable. I was only able to tell because just once, I met another Atlantis on Caltrain and the two bikes rode side by side.
- Default Waterford frame has a horizontal (front to back) hole on the seat stay connector (little horizontal tube where on other bikes the rear brake would be bolted). This requires an L bracket to be used for rear fenders. The Toyo has the vertical attachment so the rear fender can be bolted directly to it without needing the bracket. When I ordered mine I wanted the direct attachment so Keven special order it for me. - Toyo fork doesn't have all the braze-ons to attach all types of front racks. Again, when I ordered mine, Keven special ordered the fork to match the Bombadil fork and get all the various braze-ons. -There might also be some subtle differences on the design of the seat stays but I wasn't able to tell those fromm looking at the different photos and believe they are irrelevant for all practical purposes. I'd say don't sweet the differences as you can get the Waterford frame with the rear adaptor for the direct fender attachment and also all the braze-ons on the fork. Personally, I like the vibrancy of the Waterford colors on both the Homer and the Atlantis more. On the Homer the blue is quite different, on the Atlantis it barely is. René Sent from my iPad On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Cycletex <clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Concerning the detail differences between the two Atlanti, do you know > what they are? I don't remember seeing them discussed anywhere. Not > that it's here or there, but I think my Atlantis is a Waterford having > come (used) in a Waterford box but then that doesn't really prove > anything. I have a mild curiosity though either factory would be just > fine. > > On Mar 20, 12:21 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> on 3/20/11 7:38 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I do not want to start a fiery debate about this but what makes japanese >> atlantis built bicycle superior to the American made ones? Just curious. >> When there was an announcement that Rivendell would no longer have the Toyo >> plant build their bicycles, people with money to spare went after the last >> batch of those frames. It is the steel? The craftmanship? >> >> Not sure I agree with your supposition about one being superior. >> >> Grant has posted/written a number of times about the excellent quality of >> both Toyo and Waterford. >> >> There are a few stylistic differences between the builds, but nothing which >> seems to change the functionality. That may cause someone to compare and >> say, "given the choice, I prefer that one..." >> >> There has been some discussion of this. If you go back through the group >> archives, you'll probably find as many people who want to buy a us-built Riv >> as want to buy the "last of" the Toyo frames. But, as I said to start, I >> don't recall anyone making the case for one being superior. >> >> - Jim >> >> -- >> Jim Edgar >> cyclofi...@earthlink.net >> >> Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com >> Current Classics - Cross Bikes >> Singlespeed - Working Bikes >> >> The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's >> how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines >> >> "She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the >> intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty." >> -- William Gibson, "Virtual Light" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
