Garth-
I think the point to be gleaned from the responses to your hypothetical is 
that many people feel that duplicating the geometry of a given bike in a 
different material does *not* make it the same bike, only lighter. A bike 
is more than the sum of the geometry angles plus weight. For many people 
specific kinds of  strength, durability, ineffable ride "qualities", looks, 
and appreciation for a particular craft of construction ALL contribute to 
making it your favorite bike. 
You can't conclude that people irrationally hate carbon just because you've 
asked them a question where you think the only variable is carbon or steel. 

I'm all for well-constructed mental exercises, and I appreciate your 
question if for no other reason than it lit up the forum during a boring 
afternoon at work! 


Pete in CT

On Monday, July 2, 2012 5:23:01 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own 
> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! Just 
> becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be true for them... 
> but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite frame *could be* 5 pounds 
> lighter for the same price .... would you still choose your heavier one ? 
> .. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ?  lol :)  
>
> For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point !  I don't want another 10 
> lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure !  Nor do I want to ride 1000 gram 
> rims.  There IS a difference in feel .... and we need not "put up with" 
> more weight of the bike than we choose to .  It's all about our individual 
> choice.  That's why we even exist ... to *choose *:)
>
> Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got 50 
> MPG ?   Ummm.... if I could .... I just might want it !   We're all kinda 
> snobbish in our own ways .... and it's okay to admit it ... or not .. lol :)
>

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