Dropout-style is up to Keven and Brian--as are many-most-maybe all of the 
other stuff. Fixie fanatics will feel perturbed if it has verticals, and 
yet the arguments for verticals are good, too---. I will look things over, 
and have coached K and B minorly in frame design stuff--how to determine 
drop, how seat tube angle and it affect standover, and just some basics 
like that, but both are smart, both understand the nature of the bike and 
goal, and I'm looking forward to it. It may not happen--remember 
that---after a certain point, if we have to compromise too much to get the 
price where we want it to be, we'll just say, "Not for us" and be done with 
it.
We're not exactly "going after" Surley. We are all Surley fans here, and 
continue to recommend those bikes--and the Salsa Mariachi, and other 
relatively low-priced not dumb bikes. The LHT shouldn't be threatened by 
this bike---it'll be a different deal. Obviously they or any other two 
half-practical bikes can be set up to do the same stuff, but this is the 
bike we'd be doing whether or not those neat bikes existed. Good luck, 
Keven and Brian!

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:24:49 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly 
> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>
> Cool stuff.  
>
> Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.
>

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