No need to apologize, hope everyone stays safe today. On Jul 4, 2012 6:56 PM, "James Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing. > > Happy 4th of July, everyone. > > -Jim W. > > P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego. > It was Hillbornian. Details to follow. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Peter Morgano <[email protected]> wrote: > > Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing. > We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on > the same thing but it is fun to "discuss" our difference in opinions. > On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, "newenglandbike" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> "I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. "you have >> eccentric hubs" Let us eat cake!" >> >> LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical >> dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options, >> both have drawbacks. Nobody is shunning/oppressing anybody, I don't >> think! This is a bicycle forum, so expect some zealotry but don't let >> it make you feel bad. :) >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: >>> >>> I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. "you have >>> eccentric hubs" Let us eat cake! >>> On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, "James Warren" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even >>>> heard of some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of >>>> functioning with horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain. >>>> >>>> - Jim W. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> 20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal >>>> drops, never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and >>>> I am 240 and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options >>>> are nice, especially if they want to get a broad audience. >>>> On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM, "PATRICK MOORE" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about >>>>> buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be >>>>> deprived of the cheapest Rivendell? >>>>> >>>>> Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of >>>>> horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one with an >>>>> ENO and one with replacement 1010s. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Seth Vidal <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Heartily agreed, steve. >>>>> > >>>>> > -sv >>>>> > >>>>> > On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, "Steve Palincsar" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: >>>>> >> > +1 on all that, especially horizontal drops >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users >>>>> of >>>>> >> derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur >>>>> drive >>>>> >> train. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) >>>>> >> > spends high >>>>> >> > $ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers >>>>> own, >>>>> >> > along >>>>> >> > with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at >>>>> >> > least to >>>>> >> > judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves >>>>> at >>>>> >> > my (as >>>>> >> > rare as possible) trips to the WalMart near my mother's >>>>> house. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I hope the new bike has horizontal dropouts. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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