I agree. I pedal over to base of Mt. Tam in one gear, switch to the second for 
the climb, then back to other gear for descent and ride home. I do that a lot, 
on all sorts of varied Nor Cal terrain.

--- On Tue, 1/29/13, Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simple One Gearing Ranges?
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:40 AM

In Sonoma County and Oregon's Willamette Valley, there are great valley rides 
that dead end into seriously steep climbs, often dirt. Having two fixed gear 
bikes on the same ride more than doubles the fun. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:31:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think it is strange to buy a SS and try to get a range of multiple gears out 
of it. OTOH, I can see rigging a ss with two ratios, one for road and one for 
off road: the Dingle cog is excellent for that. I'd love to have a light, ss 
29er with, say, a 39X17/21 for a 67 on-road gear and a 54 off-road gear. One 
day, God willing.

While I think multiple sprocket and cog combos on what is designed as a ss is 
odd, I do sympathize with the conflicting desires for simplicity and multiple 
speeds. IMO, the good ol' AW is the way to go. Long ago, short of cash after 
buying my first decent road bike, I hacked an off roader out of a horrible 
Schwinn 3 speed with a 36 ring and an 18 cog. With the roughly 26" wheels, this 
gave me gears of 39, 52, and 69 inches which suited me (this was almost 25 
years ago when I was young and buff) off road. (I remember riding with my flame 
at the time over a jeep track with multiple stream crossings and enjoying 
watching the water flow into and out of the rear hub. It continued to work fine 
until I finally abandoned the bike near a dumpster with the usual "free to good 
home" sign.


On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Peter Pesce <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
There seem to be two kinds of strategy with the 2x2 set ups. Some, like Colin, 
go for essentially two gears, as far apart a practical keeping the matched 
tooth difference. He's done a TON more riding than I have with this set up so 
it's obviously very effective!

Others try to get 3 or 4 different ratios out of the 2x2. 3 is pretty easy, but 
getting a 4th useful ratio while staying within the 8 tooth range of the QB/SO 
dropout is tough. 

Does anyone have a 2x2 set-up with 4 useful gears within the 8 tooth range?

-Pete in CT


On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:18:43 PM UTC-5, Colin B. wrote:
I've ridden 2x2 fixed for touring since 2007 - first an IRO Rob Roy 
and now a Simple One. I've done cross country and some significant 
tours on both coasts with this setup. 

I'm a fan of the widest spaced Surly Dingle (17/21) and when using it 
I match the tooth difference on a double up front (ex.: 44/40) so the 
wheel doesn't move when I switch between two useable gear 
combinations, ex.: 44/17 (high) and 40/21 (low). The White Industries 
Dos is as similar concept but a freewheel. 

Surly Dingle (fixed): http://surlybikes.com/parts/di ngle_cog 
White Dos (freewheel): 
http://www.whiteind.com/single speedgearing/freewheels.html 

With the Dingle and a matched-tooth-difference double gear changes are 
quite fast. (You don't need to flip the wheel and won't need to adjust 
the brakes.) 

In practice, you can have a wider range or more than two useable gears 
going the 2x2 route, but accomplishing these things is a bit more 
fiddly than my set up, and w/r/t touring I resist fiddly-ness. 

Up front, 42/38 is the sweet spot for me for loaded touring. This 
gives me 68" and 49". The idea is that the high gear is for 98% of the 
time. The low gear is for when you're heading north in Glacier on a 
long day, or nursing an injury. (Or if you're less religious or dumb 
than me, save your knees and use the low gear whenever appropriate.) 

The hardest part of this setup is getting the chainline perfect in 
both gear combinations - if you worry about those sorts of things. 

Overall, highly recommended. 


On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Eric Daume <eric...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> I believe the QB (and by extension the SO) can handle up to an eight tooth 
> cog difference. So you could for instance use a 32/40 and 16/19 White 
> Industries hub to get four gears (I do this on my QB wannabe Surly 
> Crosscheck, but it's only good up to six teeth--I run 34/40 x 16/19 on that) 
> 
> Eric Daume 
> Dublin OH 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, allenmichael <allenm...@mac.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> Currently, I have a S1 set up "simply" with one in the front and one in 
>> the back. I'm not sure how many gear inches I have but it handles moderate 
>> hills in San Francisco comfortably and isn't too slow on the flats. I'm 
>> wondering though about whether I could set up the bike with two-in-front and 
>> two-in-back, put on a moderate load, and ride it as far as San Diego or Los 
>> Angeles from here. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Michael Allen 
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