How sad that this is getting so off topic right when the “off topic” veers into territory that I (possessing both philosophy and political science degrees) am qualified to comment on. J The vegan choice is a moral choice; often motivated by religion (of course, religion and morals often intertwine). But there is nothing political about a moral or religious decision UNTIL one tries to use political power to force one’s morals/religion on someone else. I didn’t see anyone proposing a tax or tariff on leather, so I think we are safe until that happens. If it then escalates and somebody tries to take away my Brooks B17 Select, we are going to have serious trouble. Short of that, we are all good. A vegan lifestyle often leads to politics, but being vegan (by itself) doesn’t imply political motivations. People are redefining terms here, this is a linguistic argument.
Back to bikes, this reminds me of “Fred”. The term Fred used to denote somebody who was a racer wannabe who rode a race bike and dressed like a racer while cruising down the bike path at 10 MPH. Obviously, the Freds didn’t like that term, so they redefined it to mean “anybody who doesn’t ride exactly what I ride and wear exactly what I wear”. I have been called “Fred” for riding in street clothes on platform pedals. The man calling me a “Fred” was sitting on a bench along the bike trail with his carbon fiber race bike. He was wearing shoes that he couldn’t walk in and matching diaper shorts and jersey. On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:09:18 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > Food isn't vegan, actually. All the woodland creatures displaced and > slaughtered in the plowing and maintenance of those grain fields. Short of > growing all my own food using only hand tools very slowly, I can't figure > out how I could eat a truly vegan diet. > > And it is absolutely a moral judgement to believe animals are equal to > humans and thus deserving of the same treatment. That moral judgement has > political ramifications. > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:49:20 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote: >> >> a snickers bar isn't vegan....sorry couldn't resist. >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Henry <ske...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, take your panties, pull them out and untwist them. >>> >>> Not sure how a persons dietary choices are thought of as political. >>> Barry, nor George, could care less what you eat. >>> >>> Go step away from the computer and have a Snicker's bar, some of you get >>> cranky when you are hungry. >>> >>> Its a seat, you put your butt on it. One may like it, one may not and >>> still there is no way to tell till I put my butt on it. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Scott Henry >>> Dayton, OH >>> >>> FTM-PTB >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM, JL <subf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I was just thinking that I hope Riv gets a few of these saddles in >>>> stock. They have been supportive of Brooks as a brand and cyclists who >>>> want alternatives to leather products in the past so it seems plausible. >>>> I >>>> don't need a new saddle but I am curious how this compares to my Brooks. >>>> >>>> FWIW I think Brooks is marketing this saddle as an "all weather" model >>>> and giving that reason for the change in materials. I would be shocked if >>>> consumer requests for a non-leather saddle made in a hammock style like >>>> their other saddles are was not part of their decision process though. >>>> >>>> Jason Leach >>>> SF, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:08:35 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because it's fun to watch the histrionics: http://www.rivbike.com/** >>>>> product-p/bavsss.htm <http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bavsss.htm> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
