On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:19:05 PM UTC-5, Greg J wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure the early production Riv Roads had 75mm drop.  I also 
> vaguely recall Grant mentioning how he increased the drop on the 
> Rambouillet, maybe to 78mm?  


Drop on the 700c Ram is 77mm.   

I'm one of the ones who converted to 650b and am running Hetres now.   
Still like it.


FWIW...


-L
 

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