A mate 3 will work with any OB model. I’ve got one on my 14 year old vfx jay
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Sindelar Solar <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ron, > > I agree with Jerry here, and will add a bit more. I'll venture that neither > generator is being seriously hurt, but neither is what's happening good for > them. > > This is a case where more specific info is needed to diagnose the problem > remotely. VFX or VFXR? Which specific Honda generator? What is the site > elevation for deration (looks like you're in BC, so maybe 2,000')? > > This points out the importance of including a Mate in such a remote location, > as that's your only diagnostic tool when something goes amiss. In that region > with its short cloudy days the loss of generator charging in winter could be > dangerous or worse. > > I'm gonna guess that he has the Honda EM 5000is generator. I haven't seen or > worked with that model, but I'm familiar with the older 3000is. These are > inverter-based generators. The 3000 was a fair choice with the early Outback > FX and VFX series, because the 120V output matched the input of the Outback. > (The primary issue was overly-fast overload response, faster than the FX > could control its surge input while charging batteries. The gennie would > sometimes pop its output breaker if a pump or fridge came on; if the owner > didn't hear the engine speed drop it could run for hours without doing > anything.) The 5000 is 120/240, with a user-accessible *"120/240V Selector > Switch: *Choose between using both 120 and 240 Volts, or 120 Volts only. This > allows for the total generator output to be available through any of the 120 > volt outlets, limited only by the capacity of the individual outlet." > > My guess is the customer has accidentally set the switch on 120/240, so only > one leg is feeding the FX. The FX is set to take the full 120V output, so is > overloading the 1/2-output leg. The inverter can't hold acceptable voltage > and unlatches, then repeats its input sequence. When the load drops out the > gennie drops to idle. Have him check this switch first. > > If not this you may have to do a call, bringing a Mate with you. (I don't > know if a modern Mate3 will work with the non-R VFX, but an OB tech can > likely tell you, if you can reach one.) > > Good luck diagnosing at a distance - I hope that it's just the switch. > > Allan > > On 12/16/2017 7:04 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote: >> Ron >> A 5 k 120/240 genny pushing a 24 volt 3500 watt sounds way over kill and >> only pushing one leg only will result in issues, have not seen them with >> hondas but have with others. No mate means no programming so it might be >> over throttling the little inverter. You did not say anything about the >> batteries so we cant do the math but with the miss match it is not >> surprising that there are issues. Is the a PS-1 type panel or anything >> besides the inverter. maybe its me but I don't see parts required to make >> this a safe system. the Gen set issues also fit if there was no proper >> programming done. these can be fun to get all fixed up right and doing what >> they are designed to do. >> Jerry >> 255 *24 = 6120 / 2 = 3060 / (5000/2) => a 20 amp 120 vac is 2400 with this >> as an example with not much to go on, with the battery bit IF the batteries >> were dead they would be charged in just over an hr. and NO l did not take >> any losses into account but this was with D-8 DCFLA not sealed AGM's >> >> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Ron Young <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Have a client where I recently installed an Outback VFX3524 inverter in >>> June. He’s using a Honda generator and has recently started having issues. >>> He has been complaining that the inverter seems to be running hot but I >>> believe this is because he doesn’t have good ventilation around it. He is >>> probably also running high on the loads. He doesn’t have a Mate so can’t >>> identify the error. He is in a remote location and I am currently unable to >>> travel due to fire restrictions in my area (major BC wildfires). >>> >>> Here is his recent email: >>> -Seems the inverter is recognizing the power in as an issue, and throwing >>> an error. >>> -My existing 5000 Honda generator has been online with the unit since you >>> installed it. >>> -The last few days, when there is very little load, or the unit goes to >>> float, the generator goes into a high rpm. >>> -My existing 5000 Honda crapped out on me this morning, and holds a low >>> rpm, not putting out much power. Will run a tool, but still won’t hold a >>> higher rpm. >>> -I borrowed an identical 5000 Honda generator, and it seemed to be doing >>> fine for about 1.5 hours. >>> -Now it’s doing the same thing as the other generator. The inverter >>> system throws an error, the generator is taken offline, and the generator >>> rpm go up. >>> -If I manually manipulate the throttle not he generator lower, then the >>> inverter re-engages. >>> >>> What the heck could this be? I don’t want to fry the borrowed generator, >>> but we can’t systematically bypass the inverter, and the house requires the >>> power. >>> >>> Ron Young >>> earthRight - Solareagle > > *Allan Sindelar* > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional > New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician > Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc. > *505 780-2738 cell* > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: [email protected] > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: [email protected] Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org
