Jason, Wrenches Can you install a data logger, say an eguage so you can see spikes or a frequency shift, surge, most anything. Install two non connected breakers to isolate the line, just for testing purposes and see if it's only one that pops. Jerry
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 9:11 AM Jason Szumlanski < [email protected]> wrote: > I considered that, but it's tripping at night, so it's not a power output > issue. It does have #6 wire, so this could be done, but I don't think it's > related. It's a genuine CH240 breaker. We even replaced it once before. > > At this point, I must have a fault or faults on the roof. Maybe a rodent > chewed through some wires. I'm going to wait for another fault and then go > pull the modules to check it out. > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 11:00 AM jay <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Jason, >> >> My curiosity is about both breakers tripping. >> I would suggest using a larger output breaker, I believe its a 40, put in >> a 50 as a test. I would assume the wire size will still be protected by >> the 50. >> >> And I would also ask if the breakers are actual CH or clones? >> >> jay >> >> peltz power >> >> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:23 AM, Jason Szumlanski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, that didn't resolve it. The main breaker and a branch circuit >> breaker tripped again a few days ago. It was the same branch this time. >> >> As my next diagnostic step I swapped two circuits (on which breaker they >> are landed). If history is a guide, it will work for about two weeks and >> then trip again. >> >> I'm dumbfounded. I really don't want to have to tear this whole system >> apart. At this point, if I have to remove all the modules, I feel that I >> need to replace all of the trunk cable which is an expensive proposition. I >> really don't know what else to do at this point. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 10:43 AM Jason Szumlanski < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I strongly suspect the CH240 combined breaker was compromised (we will >>> see). Since it happened that two different strings tripped, I doubt I have >>> two microinverters with internal faults. It has to be the combined breaker. >>> I was just surprised that branch circuit breakers were tripping >>> simultaneously with the combined output breaker. >>> >>> Of all the supply side connected systems I have installed, I have never >>> seen a combined output fusible disconnect fuse blow, but I have seen many >>> combined output breakers tripped. I was worried early on that I would be >>> replacing fuses constantly, but that has not been an issue whatsoever. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:15 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, we had a IQ7 string loaded up to its max panel size and max >>>> string length and in the spring on cool, clear day, it tripped the string’s >>>> associated breaker in the Enphase combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We reset but of course that breaker was impaired and it tripped again. >>>> We replaced and never had an issue going forward. We suspect the breaker >>>> was less than perfect from the start as we’ve add equally nice days since. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This almost reminds me of loading up Outback FM80. It says 4,000 watts >>>> but in reality, 3,600 is the max when amps spike. I will be extra careful >>>> going forward on IQ7 string length when going to the max published… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My story. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scot >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:57 AM >>>> *To:* RE-wrenches <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] Enphase intermittent breaker trippjng >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm trying to resolve an intermittent frustrating problem with and >>>> Enphase IQ system. There are three AC Branch circuits of 9 microinverters >>>> each coming into an Enphase AC combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What has been happening is one of the BR220 branch circuit breakers and >>>> the combine CH240 breaker in the main backfed load center have been >>>> tripping simultaneously. It has happened about four times in the last 6 >>>> months. It was always the same branch circuit breaker, so we kept >>>> investigating that string, checking the junction box, trunk cable, and cap, >>>> etc. Finally we swapped out the BR220 breaker. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fast forward 4 weeks, and we got another call. This time a different >>>> branch circuit breaker and the main breaker tripped simultaneously. We >>>> checked that branch circuit and could not find any fault. It seems unlikely >>>> that two branch circuit breakers would be faulty, so we have now switched >>>> out the CH240 main breaker in hopes that it is the culprit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not totally confident in this resolution and I have my fingers >>>> crossed. If that doesn't work, does anyone have any suggestions on another >>>> diagnostic step? These intermittent problems are a major hassle. One >>>> thought I had was to switch to a supply side interconnection with a fusible >>>> disconnect. Maybe the intermittent fault would blow one of the two line >>>> fuses so at least I could narrow it down to which line the fault is on if >>>> there is in fact a fault. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have experienced two other tripping breaker issues with Enphase >>>> systems in the past. Neither of them were systems I installed. One turned >>>> out to be branch circuits that were not properly paired up and landed on >>>> different breakers. Another time we had an inverter with an internal fault >>>> which eventually"blew up" with a loud popping noise and smoke billowing out >>>> of it. That happened after resetting a trip breaker multiple times. This >>>> case seems to be unrelated to those issues. 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